Ben Shapiro vs Destiny Debate: Politics, Jan 6, Israel, Ukraine & Wokeism | Lex Fridman Podcast #410

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Published 2024-01-23
Ben Shapiro is a conservative political commentator, host of The Ben Shapiro Show, co-founder of The Daily Wire, and author of The Authoritarian Moment and other books. Steven Bonnell, aka Destiny, is a liberal political commentator and a live streamer on YouTube.

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Destiny's Subreddit: reddit.com/r/Destiny
Destiny's Website: destiny.gg/
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OUTLINE:
0:00 - Introduction
1:36 - Liberalism vs Conservatism
6:49 - Education
23:06 - Trump vs Biden
43:31 - Foreign policy
56:28 - Israel-Palestine
1:11:25 - Russia-Ukraine
1:23:04 - January 6
1:39:03 - Abuse of power
1:49:01 - Wokeism
1:55:42 - Institutional capture
2:09:36 - Monogamy vs open relationships
2:14:29 - Rapid fire questions

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All Comments (21)
  • @lexfridman
    Here are the timestamps. Please check out our sponsors below. Transcript: lexfridman.com/ben-shapiro-destiny-debate-transcri… 0:00 - Introduction 1:36 - Liberalism vs Conservatism 6:49 - Education 23:06 - Trump vs Biden 43:31 - Foreign policy 56:28 - Israel-Palestine 1:11:25 - Russia-Ukraine 1:23:04 - January 6 1:39:03 - Abuse of power 1:49:01 - Wokeism 1:55:42 - Institutional capture 2:09:36 - Monogamy vs open relationships 2:14:29 - Rapid fire questions Please check out our sponsors to support this podcast: - AG1: drinkag1.com/lex to get 1 month supply of fish oil - Policygenius: policygenius.com/lex - ExpressVPN: expressvpn.com/lexpod to get 3 months free - InsideTracker: insidetracker.com/lex to get 20% off
  • @andreasesser4641
    Left vs. Right. Conservative vs. Progressive. Democrat vs Republican. Theist vs Atheist. Traditionalist vs Modernist. Man's name vs Woman's name. This debate truly encapsulated a lot. Thanks Lex.
  • @DerekFuller77
    Now this is how a real debate works. No talking over one another, no insults, just pure conversation between two different sides.
  • @datrumpet5
    I had to double-check my YouTube settings because I thought I had set the play mode to 1.5x speed 😂
  • @viziontrex
    Lex hosting the SuperBowl for nerds is a great gift to us all
  • Notice how both of them take a second to respond. That is them thinking about what the other said instead of immediately denying or disagreeing. This does not happen in normal debates. Sad.
  • @williv
    I sincerely thought my playback speed was set to 2x. I had to check.
  • @hexxin
    I'm so glad this finally happened. I also believe they tried to understand each other. Very respectable of both participants.
  • Great to finally see a calm, factual debate. Thanks Lex, would love to see another round (different topics)
  • @jaredaponte9973
    This honestly has to be one of my favorite debates for destiny and ben. It felt like two people actually having a conversation rather than the huge spectacle i feel like everyone else is trying to put on usually. Neither of them attacked or insulted the other and i got to just genuinely hear two different perspectives and thats all i want
  • @tokyosour4215
    I've been waiting for these two to have a sitdown forever. 4 hours of debate in 2 hours.
  • @ericruth133
    I'm less than one hour in and I already feel like this should be mandatory viewing for all high school seniors. The level of intellect, the respectful discourse, the deep understanding of issues...all are so good. This is what debate should look like. Thanks Lex for making this happen.
  • in my opinion Lex is the real MVP here. This is the first i have watched, and now have subscribed. i have never and i mean never seen a debate handled with such care and neutrality. It might not look like he does not do much but the man has reached the level cap in facilitation. I think that bad debates can be attributed to poor one sided facilitation and or cutting in and stopping the arguing party mid argument, it breeds frustration and can affect the mental state and the clear thinking of the debaters. Bravo I absolutely loved it.
  • @Tooldruid
    This might be the single best debate in the last year. No yelling, very few interruptions, solid moderator, many topics discussed. A debate that's actually not enraging or frustrating to watch.
  • @stevey187
    We need parts 2 through 10. This is the best thing I've watched on Youtube... maybe ever
  • @kraugaming7557
    This is what a true debate is like. Not yelling over each other, throwing insults, etc. You can hear both Ben and Destiny debate their points and at the end of each segment, both can admit to agreeing to each others points in some way or another. There's no egotistical view that they MUST BE RIGHT at all costs.