Heat Geek vs Skill Builder 🔥 The Final Round

I've been watching Roger since the beginning. I trust him.

shall we do a gofundme for 3 more mics?

My takeaway from this is that the old guard are going to retire and the newly trained engineers are going to be left sorting out the massively inefficient heating systems we've all been led to believe were the bees knees. We've been overpaying for our heating for decades and just wasting fuel. If a house with 9" brick and some additional loft insulation can be 500%+ efficient there is just no excuse. It's just been done wrong for decades.

All we need now is an army of problem solvers per household plus a technician owner to monitor.

When I first started following John's story here and on the heat geek channel, I was initially quite hostile to Roger's position. But I was wrong: Roger is asking those hard questions and posing all the right challenges, and the heat geeks have answered them in practice in the way they've fixed up John's awful installation. We're getting a heat pump installed very soon, I'm not at all concerned about it and very excited with the process, but I really hope that the wider industry can meet the challenge that currently it looks like only heat geek is rising to.

The solution could be solved by passing a law that all heat pump installs need SCOP monitoring & funds are withdrawn for installers who fail repeatedly

Rodger is asking some very good questions, but he should be asking the government, not heating engineers. The heating engineers turning up expecting a debate on whether heat pumps work, and were asked to explain why a conservative government has produced an ineffective regulatory body.

I’ve had a heatpump fitted by Octopus 🐙 and it works fantastically well however it has to be said that heatpumps heat slowly and therefore have to run longer but on cheap rate electricity and a scop of 4 it’s cheaper to run than gas.

Ill stick with my wood burner and an extra jumper - old school😅

When I started in the heating business 60 years ago as an apprentice most houses were heated buy coal in the living room and an oil stove elsewhere. Now everyone has central heating but it’s taken 20-30 years to get there. Heatpumps will eventually become the norm but it’ll take an equal amount of time and just like in the passed there’ll be crap installs that will have to be fixed.

Outstanding video, government 0 % Vs 100 % engineers.

Could listen to these people all day These sorts of people should be on gov rnd development on this heat pump stuff, and unless you have this sort of knowledge in real world, you should not have the job advising where this sort of techs go. Very good talk, like i said, i could listen to them all day speak on this subject Experience and knowledge today is slowly diminishing, as everyone denies how important those things are. Like roger said the gov needs to have a strategy to do new things, and they employ too many people who simply do not see the bigger picture on what ever topic you want to choose. In computers, there used to be separate qualifications, as computers used to be separated into different areas. Plumbing needs to go there, and divide things into compartments Today people think anyone qualified as a plumber should know everything, but as you proved, alot of areas in plumbing needs real qualified people to understand and implement what ever is needed to install such systems. Roger also made a good point, is that people installing these heat pumps need to fix the problems in there house first. So really every heat pump install needs an engineer who has the knowledge in these areas to do a complete install, otherwise there is no point. I love how this part of plumbing is still learning how to do this, and you people are slowly learning to adapt to the problems that this new technology is applying to plumbing industry. Anyone installing a heat pump, needs to see it as a real investment, and real install, otherwise do not bother, as you are wasting your time. Not surprised such people as your guests are booked up long in advance

a good start would be to make it compulsory to have them separately metered which would talk to the owners smart meter , if and when the anaul figers are above a recomended scop , then someone will attend to see if its user error or installer error, if its the installer , then pull their goverment accreditation a bit simular whats coming with the heat network efficiency scheme

It starts like sparks do, you need regulation. It starts in colleges and teaches the right things. You are never going to win unless we have regulation and someone to fine for dodgy installs.

Quality video. Rodger has no clue

Given the industry is presently under-trained and fairly disfunctional (manufacturers insisting kit needs installing that doesn't, etc), it can only really make sense for most people to be embarking on heatpumps if they have large excesses of cheap energy from solar and/or are doing a long-term project where they have the time to research, get an installer who knows what they are doing and can navigate to a manufacturer-approved system that will also be performant and economical in a high-electricity cost environment. Anyone who needs a boiler based system repairing quickly due to failure is probably best off just getting a like for like gas replacement, as chances are you're not going to get a quality result in a hurry.

Great words from all of you. Now I can only share me thoughts of the years I have been in the industry. Firstly the training is not there. Colleges are only interested in one thing. Success rates. Colleges do not have the resources or the educated tutors to teach this. I myself was a lecturer for 10 years teaching the next generation of plumbing an heating engineers. Don’t get me wrong there are some good apprentices out there but disadvantaged by today’s educational system. I have tried so hard to change the minds of my superiors with no avail. I now with all my knowledge have gone back on the tools installing heat pumps as I did 20 years ago.

Is that a Gas Safe sticker on the Heat Geek’s grey T shirt? 😂

The pivotal discussion is as to whether one should remove the old bolier, it makes no sense to do this in one go? - and I'm a university (Russell group) professor

If you understand heat pump systems like Tommy does then don't argue with him, and what he says about Combi boilers is so right, totally oversized for 85% of house's under three bedrooms, where is the energy efficiency in that. Roger is quite right about the bigger picture though, we are not training enough people and there is no strategy. One things for sure the training is utter rubbish unless you use someone/company trained to HeatGeek standards.