Hyman Schipper: What is Kabbalistic Panpsychism? The Enigma of Consciousness & The Mind-Body Problem

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Excellent. Please explain how anaesthesia seems to extinguish consciousness.

Thank you and very interesting presentation from Hyman Schipper. Some questions to arise: My definitions of consciousness follow that of Thomas Nagel, the "what its like to be a bat" i.e phenomenology - so what I don't understand is how could people consider PanENtheism or PanSPYchism to be a solution to the problem of consciousness and phenomenology. The Ayn Sof doesn't fulfill any criteria that is "phenomenological consciousness" but utterly transcendent, without even time or space - how could an undifferentiated, oneness "DO" anything ? How can an indefinable, indefinite, undifferentiated, apophatic, oneness "simple unity" ontology "decide" , "choose" or "do" anything ??? Sounds like this is all projection of human consciousness attributes, presupposing time & space. How can a Tzimzum be chosen, decided or willed ? All this talk of "He creates", "He withdraws" "He Tzimzums" Presuppose time & space - even if taken metaphorically "in the language of man" - doesn't this appear incoherent ? The analogies of frozen cup containing water sound great, but these are quite easily understood in hylomorphic Aristotilian terms and material cause, formal cause, efficient cause, and the final causes. (actually a brilliant system that still applicable today - although personally like the work of Alicia Juarrero on dynamic complexity) So if this "Ayn Sof" undifferentiated light doesn't "choose, decide and manifest" what appear to be analogies of executive functions of the mind, the only other option is necessary modal creation. In essence, The Ayin Sof flow, necessarily must contract and Tzimzum via modal logical necessity. Since choosing, deciding and willing, presuppose time and limited conscious minds with executive functions such as deciding between possibilities. A necessary Tzimzum from the Ayin Sof (Contraction becomes a necessary feature of reality) then the Deity becomes something more like an impersonal principle, something like Stephen Wolfam's Ruliad or the Neoplatonist cosmogeny or David Deutch Mathematical reality or versions of Sir Roger Penrose Platonism. If Hyman Schipper wants to engage in this discussion, happy to continue and can email me on [email protected] Likewise - I don't see how Kabbalah or other metaphysical framework solves mind-body problem without kicking can down the road. In this example, we end up with a problem of how "The One" becomes/Emanates/Constricts into "The Many". - instead of mind-body problem we and up with the "One-Many" problem. No issue with the fractal nature discussed in Indra-net or Hitkalelut [Intermingling] - this can be similar to W.V.Quines network of interconnected ideas or mathematical Platonism of David Deutch or the Ruliad of Stephen Wolfam (numerous examples, just name dropping a few) - the issue here is these network like fractals and holograms are reductionist frameworks, something like infinite realm of algorithms. ....but dont see how these explain phenomenal consciousness and mind-body problem. I find the above ESPECIALLY true when discussing the Mandelbrot set - which is remarkably simple algorithm, deterministic topography and reductionist. (I'm not criticizing reductionism, its very useful) The idea that every thought contains a fractal of all thoughts and consciousness may sound like mystical illumination - but this needs some verification without beginning to sound absurd. Its not like whilst i'm writing this now, within my consciousness exists all of Arabic, Chinese, Hebrew and some 7,000 other languages and every experience conceivable in all of history and the future........*** Although, I do "get it" that in some respects, my capacity to write this does depend on and is contingent on tens of thousands of previous minds (millions ?) as in the very language and culture has been created in the cauldron of some 100,000 years of human culture AND previous evolutionary ancestors. (particularly the last 12,000 yrs since agricultural revolution) ......I mean for a hunter gatherer in the Savanah 20,000 yrs ago, this essay is probably meaningless symbols - or even someone 500yrs ago. {I have mentioned some ideas that have been around for >2,300yrs, so not completely alien such as Aristotilian causes} Once again, thanks for an interesting talk. * I pretty much know my phenomenology consciousness cannot contain fractals of hologram of the whole when confronted by utter and astonishing humility opening a book on some area that is completely sealed - such as computer coding language (I have no computer coding knowledge) or trying to figure out mathematics completely beyond by pay grade.

In the textbooks of Kabbalah you find the seeds and many of the developments of most modern intelligent thought. You also find the more complete stories and analogies of most other religions. Kabbalah is upstream.

Thank you very much for bringing to light and establishing the points of intersection between Kabbalah, Advaita Vedanta, Science and Philosophy. The only observation that is a question concerns the hypothetical possibility that if the Non-Local Mind Theory is right, just as the brain being a receiving device for Universal Consciousness, AI, which is another device, may or may not be a receptacle for Universal Consciousness considering that H. P. Blavatsky stated that there is no mathematical point in the Universe that is not Conscious.

But why did god have to use all this spirit science to create the universe why not just do it straight away isn’t he omnipotent? Sounds to me like a elaborate fairytale story humans told each other to cure their boredom when they had too much spare time…