Douglas Murray and Jonathan Pageau | EP 290

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Publicado 2022-09-22
Jonathan Pageau, Douglas Murray, and Dr Jordan B Peterson discuss our hierarchies of perception, existence, faith, and whether meaning is a self evident truth or something intangible that is sought in vain.

Jonathan Pageau is a French-Canadian liturgical artist and icon carver, known for his work featured in museums across the world. He carves Eastern Orthodox and other traditional images, and teaches an online carving class. He also runs a YouTube channel dedicated to the exploration of symbolism across history and religion.

Douglas Murray is a British political commentator and author. In 2007 he founded a think tank called the Center for Social Cohesion, which later became part of the Henry Jackson Society. Currently he is an associate editor for the magazine the Spectator, where he became somewhat infamous after organizing a competition in which entrants were invited to submit offensive poems about Turkish president Recep Tayyip Erdoğan, with a top prize of £1,000. He has authored five books, the most recent of which being “The War on the West.”

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—Links—

For Douglass Murray:

Website: douglasmurray.net/

(Book) The War on the West: www.amazon.com/War-West-Douglas-Murray/dp/00631620…

(Book) The Strange Death of Europe: www.amazon.com/Strange-Death-Europe-Immigration-Id…

For Jonathan Pageau:

Icon Carving: www.pageaucarvings.com/

Podcast: www.thesymbolicworld.com

Youtube Channel: youtube.com/c/JonathanPageau

—Chapters—

(0:00) Coming Up
(1:10) Intro
(4:18) A Precondition for a Rational World View
(10:29) The Battle of Conceptions
(14:55) Perceived Unity and the Glass
(21:58) Do Science and Religion Overlap?
(29:41) The Hierarchy of Perception and Action
(38:45) The Bible Was Not Written Forensically
(48:25) Using the Least Possible Thing to Describe the Realness of Everything
(57:07) Are We Meaning-Seeking Beings, or is There Meaning?
(1:05:56) To What Degree Does Something Exist Prior to Elaboration?
(1:12:04) The Cause of Demoralization in Our Society
(1:17:58) The Advantage of Organized Religion

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Todos los comentarios (21)
  • @johnowens5342
    When you see Jonathan looking around, listening and talking, you can see how much he enjoys these talks. Murray gives the challenge and Jordan is in heaven. We are truly privileged to witness this conversation.
  • @hobbsmatt
    As a lifelong atheist/agnostic raised in the presbyterian church, it wasn’t until a very close family member who was Antiochian orthodox just recently passed away that I started to feel my inner architecture shift towards some longing curiosity towards orthodoxy. For whatever reason, talks like this one and others involving Jonathan Pageau have completely blown me wide-open, kicked down the doors and started remodeling my inner architecture. I’ve never been this kind of person at all, but I found myself weeping tears of joy/relief on my commute to work this morning as I listen to this. Thank you, gentlemen. Now starts my real work.
  • @dancl8674
    50 years as a Christian…and It’s insane to me that this is the best sermon I’ve ever heard!
  • @symmetricat188
    Great talk. Douglas is not only a sharp & eloquent peer, but also astoundlingly thoughtful, adaptive & creative. His closing monologue is ridiculously powerful.
  • @flashflood4
    As a minister for over 12 years, in a time where one's efforts seem questionable, this conversation brought great reassurance to the value of my chosen pursuits and profession. Thank you.
  • @jonnyw82
    Peterson, Murray AND Pagaue???!! We are blessed!! 🙏✝️
  • @user-sv8km7tn4u
    This is in all honesty the best and highest level of discussion on multiple levels that I heard in my entire Life. Thank you Jordan, Jonathan and Douglas! You have my absolute respect 🙏
  • @AudrinaOralay
    I feel like I'm starving in my doctoral program and you three, with your fascinating discussions, makes my brain feel actually engaged, fed, and excited. Excellent discussion, all of you! Lovely to see different points of view coming together to discuss such tough and fascinating ideas.
  • @randybaccio2407
    JP is the only person that makes me feel more intelligent and more stupid at the same time.
  • @jonnyschaff7068
    Getting married this weekend and baptized into the Orthodox Church this Pascha. God willing. Thank you so much gentleman. I was on a very very dark path. Redemption is very real to me now thanks to these holy ideas. I have nothing but love and admiration for you men and all your difficult and courageous work. Please keep moving forward with zeal.
  • @trevboster2438
    I love how Peterson and Pageau slowly scooted closer on the couch over the course of the conversation haha
  • @krisphiles
    My three ABSOLUTE FAVORITE speakers... it was a joy.
  • The way Jordan recognizes and respects Jonathan's wisdom is so beautiful to watch. Douglas was a brilliant guest and posed all the right questions.
  • @YouTubeComments
    Keep getting Jonathan talking to all these new people. He's the best.
  • @SuperBellalucy
    A terrific episode - I thoroughly enjoyed this conversation. Jordan as always insightful and deep, Douglas Murray razor-sharp & very wise. Jonathan P., relatively new to me, yet a thoughtful man with astute contributions. Thank you gentlemen 🌱
  • @isaqureshi7916
    This is just brilliant. Thank you gentlemen. I have been losing my faith of late and this thoughtful conversation amongst three incredible people may be restoring much more than that in me
  • @waynebell6835
    It’s incredible to me that Dr. Peterson looks even better now than he did before he was sick. Truly incredible.
  • Douglass was a perfect choice, very good with expressing ideas! And he asks the best questions 👍🏻 another round of these three together would be great!
  • @ky6864
    This conversation has helped me to realize God has been so graceful and merciful in the midst of my agony. Praise God for his blessing on me.
  • @VikingAF1111
    I’ve listen to this five times I keep reverting back to it because it is such a powerful conversation. May I suggest a part two between the three of you gentlemen sometime in the future. Thank you again all of you for your work and your light in the dark.