American Lock 1100 vs Master Lock 410

Both pretty decent for a 40mm LOTO lock, but what’s better for pickers? 😃🔐🔐

VERY interesting! I brought this subject up with Bosnian Bill about a year ago. I bought what I thought was 2 1100 locks on amazon, but discovered one actually had a 401 core. I NOW know that master bought out American. My current skill is not great enough for these locks, however I can open the 5 pin 1100 with a lishi AM5. It has 3 serated drivers and 2 spools with 2 serated key pins corresponding with the spools. I have never opened the 6 pin 401. The lishi let's me feel and get a better idea of the 1100 pins so I am that much closer to spp it. I can't find a lishi for a 401.

No surprise the Master core was easy. Thanks for posting. Great content. 👍🏻

Quite the difference! The 1100 reminded me of the American locks toughness (pre master purchase) .. always put up a good fight! Nicely demonstrated Ash 👍👍

IIUC it's only called the 410 when it's that spooly core in a non-guttable plastic body. The 2 you have are sold here as the A1100 (with the American Lock core) and the S1100 (with the 410-style core). I like both of these; I have about a dozen plastic body 410s and about a dozen A1100s in my practice lock rotation :-) I can confirm that the 410 style core is more difficult with better bitting, especially if it has a very high pin 1 or pin 6 (in my opinion). My experience has been that with wear from repeated picking the American Lock cores become much more difficult (less feedback, way easier to overset). I'd be interested to hear if this one gets harder after you've picked it a couple of dozen times :-)

Awesome picking as always, great comparison and absolutely love the speed gutting

Great comparison and thanks for sharing Ash. Take care and have fun.

Man I would say learning to pick without a vice is the way to go.

Very insightful. Well done!

Great comparison, nice that he choose a 6-pin American 1100 for a fair deal. The bitting looks really tough on the 1100 👍 Well done. On the 410's i personally do not like the sloppiness of the core, it just wiggles aorund too much in the plastic lock body to be an enjoyable pick, this seems to be also the case in aluminum lock body. Just my thoughts, happy picking, thanks for the nice video.

What I did with my S1105 (the LOTO core American lock) was to break out my American lock pinning kit and repin it with American pins top and bottom. With that keyway, it makes a difference, and it's a really fun platform.

Wow, most impressive picking. Serious skill and talent displayed on this one. Enjoyed.

The American 1100 put up quite a fight there. Nicely opened.

Haven’t watched it yet…getting ready to watch it. Just wanted to say, this one looks fun.

I love my 1100's, but that one was extreme, nicely done!

I won't lie, gutting them in the same tray was giving me anxiety... :D

Cool! I have opened the 1100 only two times! Well, let's keep going!

So far I've only ever been able to pick an AL1100 core once (2 days ago) and a 410 core once (yesterday). Both are stock as far as I know, but the 410 is really a struggle for me. It has either zero lift or very short keypins in slots 1 and 4, which I am constantly oversetting. Obviously my skill level is not yet where it needs to be, and this one might continue to put up a fight for some time to come. I'm not sure if I should admit in public that I like a Master Lock but this is a pretty competent lock.

Great video Ash mate nice comparison 🇬🇧😎👊😊👍

MAC would be 5, appears that one goes 6-2 mostly, judging by the pin colors. The key wouldn't have the ramp peaks if it were MACs, could make it one more step. I've picked quite a few 1100s and getting one with a similar bitting and drivers. They seem to be hardest with a lot of variation in cuts and no spools. The spool there would act like a serrated on that long driver, more or less it's an all serrated lock. Adding spools and zero lifts considerably lightens the difficulty of 1100s.