American researchers use sunlight & water to efficiently create green hydrogen
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Published 2024-07-28
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All Comments (21)
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Hydrogen cars are still more complicated in comparison to fully electric cars. the fueling process is still less convenient and requires more personel. And you still cannot fuel home made hydrogen. Electric has still advantages.
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Round trip efficiency. That's all we need to know... to compete with battery storage, it needs to be similar at 85%
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Viking Remember the big problems Storage and Transport. Hydrogen engines run on high pressure, very short engine life. Wayne
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Hydrogen makes no sense because of the efficiency and storage problems. Batteries are far superior and only gettin better every hour. I learned that from you😊😊
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After years in energy research with coal, I scumbled to some colleges' work on hydrogen fuel cell. I attended a week's seminar on hydrogen and fuel cell at a government facility in West Virginia. Apart from the hypes, I was not impressed with the overall efficiency and also the total operation sequence and maintenance.
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H2 is best at larger stationary applications. One where the production and use are closely matched w/ minimal storage. Condensing the H2 into liquid is very costly energy wise. Generally speaking, I don't believe it would be useful for long range vehicles, but possible short range applications. Other technologies seem superior for most of these applications.
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If we could get rid of the heavy crude we used to power ships, it would be a major step forward. I agree it's a tried and now dead duck for hydrogen cars . Batteries are developing that fast they are way in front. Why would anyone want to use fuel and pay huge amounts of tax when you can at home from solar and off-peak electricity.
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H2 would still not be good for cars, but we can use hydrogen in so many ways if it was green like this. Steel and concrete could both benefit from inexpensive green hydrogen. Ships are the other use that might be viable; possibly using a hydrogen gas turbine. Aircraft maybe.
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If hydrogen is ever used for power production it would probably be for grid power plants that have room for the enormous amount of storage that system would need. The infrastructure needed to store and keep hydrogen pressurized needs a lot of real estate.
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A cool discovery, for sure; hydrogen has its place. Probably not in mass produced personal cars, but in locomotives, ocean shipping, heavy hauler trucks and large farm equipment, perhaps also aircraft. Or, given the vast quantities of oil still in the ground, just stick with diesel for those applications and keep improving the emissions scrubbing tech.
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Don't forget about the yacht industry...and airplanes.
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Green hydrogen would still lose out to BEVs in cars. Energy efficiency still substantially favours keeping electricity as electricity. Yes, it may better enable big/long range trucks and shipping, but Green H2 will do most good in enabling Green Steel from electric furnaces. Just keep it away from cars.
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Another pivot for Hydrogen now? 🤔
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Have they changed physics? 😂
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Long range transport, yes.
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Universal Matter has a graphene production process where any plastic can serve as the feedstock and the output is graphene and hydrogen is the byproduct. That’s virtually free hydrogen. That said, it would be best used to fuel convertible natural gas plants like the one in Texas designed by Mitsubishi Electric.
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How about electric driven oil tankers
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The entire world of green plants runs on the hydrogen cycle and as of this week we’re learning that the metal nodules on the bottom of the ocean also run on the hydrogen cycle
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It doesn’t matter even if you can make green hydrogen, you still have store and transport it after which the energy efficiency is never going to compete with electrons.
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Hydrogen fuel cell EV passenger vehicles still suffer the biggest down fall of hydrogen distribution, requiring high energy requirement to compress the fuel and reliable containment / distribution. We still have issues of short life cycle of the fuel cell, which is very costly.
