Detailed Michael Jordan analysis: using new data to gauge his impact | Greatest Peaks Ep. 6

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Published 2020-12-28
Support at Patreon: www.patreon.com/thinkingbasketball - Just how good was Michael Jordan at his peak? This video uses brand new data to compare his impact to the other all-time greats. Was he an outlier? Could he guarantee a championship? And how good was his defense?

This is the 6th episode in a series on the greatest peaks in NBA history (focusing on 1977-2020), featuring detailed scouting reports and film breakdown on the best players in NBA history at their best, along with analysis of their impact using historical data & stats to size up the highest peaking players ever.
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All Comments (21)
  • A ton of people asking about the years ('89-91) -- it was actually really clear cut to me.  First step and explosiveness start to wane a little by '91, along with his motor. Since so much of his game is based off that, he couldn't quite generate as many advantages by '93 on offense (can see this in dip in free throw rate), and the slight reduction in motor made him a little less active on defense (where his playmaking is key). Additionally his box based stats and impact stats both peak in this period ('89-91), along with his on/off stats we tracked (+/- is less impressive in the '92 postseason).  1988 is a bit different, because his athleticism/motor were still incredible so he peaks on defense, but his passing and shot selection weren''t as polished as the ensuing seasons.
  • @Redtalun
    If MJ saw this critique of his defense he’d take it personally
  • @kryptonitetime
    MJ's gotta be the most graceful basketball player ever. Just pure poetry in motion on the court.
  • @BronBron
    This series is better than anything ESPN has ever produced.
  • @javenterry8691
    Jordan's rebounding is so underrated. He's a guard rebounding at a high level in a league dominated by big men And where everyone crowded the paint
  • 13:50 Damn, MJ's playmaking really stacks up nicely compared to some of the great passers ever. It's because his creation isn't limited to simply racking up assists - his mere presence on the floor makes life SO much easier for his teammates offensively. Also, this video made me realise that I've been misunderstanding some aspects of his greatness. He has such a monstrously high peak not because his defense was necessarily as impactful as his offense, but because his offensive peak is so damn high (with his unparalled scoring and vastly underrated playmaking) that his defense being simply really good is enough to push his OVERALL impact to near-untouched levels. Fantastic work by Ben, this series is amazing.
  • I grew up in Chicago, born in 77’. I was just starting to follow sports closely when MJ joined the Bulls. I didn’t understand as a 10 year old kid, how good he was. To me, he was the best player on the Bulls by a lot, and I knew he was one of the better players in the league. It didn’t dawn on me that he was a sports icon, until we were on vacation in Florida, and a shopping mall shoe store was FILLED with Michael Jordan shoes, jerseys, gigantic murals.......it was a Foot Locker, but it might as well have been a Michael Jordan/Nike store......because thats all they seemed to advertise. Sure, me and all my friends had his shoes.....but we lived in Chicago. I figured every city had their star player and everyone bought their shoe. By the time the Bulls started winning titles, I knew that not only was he the best, but he was the most recognizable person on the planet. It wasn’t just that he won and filled the stat sheet. It was the way he moved. I could see a shadow of Michael Jordan moving with the ball, and I could tell it was him. His moves weren’t just show-boating, they had purpose. A big man dominated league was changing. For the first time it didn’t matter how many 7 footers were guarding the rim. MJ would just go around them, or over them. His athleticism was so off the charts, it really didn’t matter what size he was. And the defense....my god, he put the same maximum effort into defending every time. He frustrated opponents, constantly getting int he way, closing passing lanes, and was constantly swiping at the ball. Recency bias is a thing. I know that its hard to imagine somebody better than LBJ when you never watched a prime MJ play live. Lebron is a great player. No question. Michael Jordan though, its hard for me to imagine another athlete being so far ahead of ALL of his peers, at any time in history. “When the best player in the world, is also the hardest working player on your team, that pretty much sets the tone.” ~ Steve Kerr
  • @realking4918
    Jordan's off-ball movement is severely overlooked!
  • Ben, you're a blessing. Finally someone taking this conversation leaving out the dogma of MJ being the perfect player. For people like me that came too late to actually see him play on a day to day basis, this is the first time I have an objective and analytic view on this incredible player who is often buried under the narrative he holds. You have all of my gratitude.
  • @back2back379
    What's not discussed enough is how valuable MJ's fantastic off ball ability was, and how it allowed Pippen to be the great playmaker that he was by allowing him to have the ball to make plays with. Had MJ just played the way he did in '88-'89 when he averaged 32.5/8/8, which was similar to how Lebron and Westbrook play being ball dominant and running pick and rolls or Iso drive and kick all the time, it's reasonable to think he would've continued to improve along those lines and averaged lines like 37/10/10, but that kind of ball dominance would prevent players like Pippen from utilizing their playmaking abilities. Hence, Jordan made Pippen better by being willing to play off ball. As Jordan said in The Last Dance, he initially did not like Phil Jackson taking over, because Doug Collins had put the ball in his hands all the time, whereas Phil wanted to take the ball out of his hands more and utilize his off ball abilities so that players like Pippen and BJ could use their playmaking abilities as well.
  • @pochen23
    This is a great video. I think one of the biggest thing that is overlooked here is his low turnover rate. For a player with such high usage, his turnover rate is abysmally low against other high volume scorer or creators (look at James Harden, Russell Westbrook, etc). His jump pass turnovers and his lack of anticipation on his passes are rare occasion than norm and did not result in him turning the ball over needlessly. In a way, his offense game is way less chance taking than his defense game, and I am not sure if having Pippen, an all-time great wing defender, in his back pocket, played into some of those gambles and playing the passing lane on the defensive end. He knows very well that more than likely enough those gambles will turn into fastbreak points, and if it doesn't pan out, there is a big chance that Scottie is there to help. IMO that's smart play, and you see it in the +/-. Fantastic video!
  • @yd856
    MJ’s playmaking ability was the most underrated part of his game.
  • His gambling on defense had an enormous psychological impact on opponents and that doesn't show in stats!
  • @jaymtl79
    Endless amounts of energy and extreme levels of competitiveness combined with high levels of skill who was never satisfied so he kept working on his game. MJ and Kobe will always be my favorite to watch.
  • @pedromdcc13
    Damn this Michael Jordan guy could really jump
  • It's crazy to see the defensive attention he draws in a lot of these clips, it was pretty common for four players to swarm him when he attacked the rim!
  • @bigmassive69
    I remember in my youth reading an article about Jordan's footwork, that he studied Olympic-level long and high jumpers' footwork. And that doing so, helped Jordan increase his leaping ability. He was able to glide further, hang in the air longer. Being mindful of footwork, perfecting it, will harness one's overall abilities.