AMD says these are the same... We DISAGREE. - Testing 12 of the same CPUs for Variance

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Published 2024-01-25
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CHAPTERS
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0:00 Intro
2:25 Why Same Model ISN'T Same Performance
5:32 Sources of Variance
8:21 Gaming Results
10:43 CS:GO is Wonky
11:41 Gaming Results Cont.
12:39 Productivity Results
13:59 Our Selections
15:15 Testing Mobos and RAM
17:16 Final Discussion
21:26 Outro

All Comments (21)
  • @XenFPV
    This is LTT using their higher budget compared to most tech channels for something genuinely useful. This is really good to see! Well done LTT, this deserve genuine praise.
  • @Joshfarmpig
    glad to see factorio used as a gauge for cpus
  • @spacen3rd950
    As a data scientist, I absolutely love this video and greatly appreciate this perspective. The silicon lottery is absolutely real, and sample size of one is far from sufficient. Glad to see someone doing more in depth analysis. I don't expect the methodology of ltt labs to dive into frequentist vs bayesian stats, but it would be interesting to use public benchmarks (for an incredibly nerdy perspective/audience) as a prior distributions and see how the results differ. Regardless of the depth of it, just seeing more stats in hardware/software benchmarks is a fantastic breath of air. Keep up the good work!
  • @4RILDIGITAL
    I never realized how much work goes into ensuring consistency in benchmark testing. It's worrying to think about the lack of oversight in computer hardware compared to other industries and the issues that could ensue.
  • @smayaan2479
    Genuine praise to linus for taking time to address this and how confusing and weird these companies are becoming launching their cpus and gpus in today’s market
  • @TechDaddyFr
    Looks like the transparency we wanted. You clearly stated the challenges, how you worked around them and the variables you can't really control. It was very interesting, at least to me. Good job guys!
  • @cheredia13
    Statistically,from experience in semiconductor industry, It will take at least a sample size of 30 cpus to establish proper sigma. Ideally you would want to do this experiment with 1 motherboard first and repeat with other boards to gauge variation. The next step would be to test about 100 cpus from different time stamps (hopefully getting different lots),to gauge the variability of their process.
  • @brendan9335
    Incredible leveraging youtube videos to finance an independent lab to preform tests on all kinds of tech hardware and then making vids showing and explaining all of the data collected which in turn can finance the next round of tests. Bangin job LTT I love it.
  • @squatzandoatz92
    i love the fact that you come out and say "yes, our tests are inconsistent, and here's why" in such a fascinating, entertaining fashion. there's a reason i always watch every LTT video that pops up in my feed.
  • @kaizen_unknown
    I'm glad to see linus and his team working towards doing better, especially after that whole thing where they were admitting lack of accuracy and that they failed their community. Seeing them be so passionate about this really brings a smile to my face.
  • @Grandwigg
    I love seeing this kind of testing across multiple channels. And another shining example of why you should always check across multiple review sources. (Loved the Pokemon referencing of the processors)
  • Always excited for labs stuff! That was exceptionally well presented and explained. Really great how you adressed inconsistencies and the multitude of possible causes. Probably one of the best ways I've seen to explain testing methodology, the reasoning behind it and the resulting discrepancies when compared to real world applications. Loved it!
  • @dahahaka
    you can maybe work around the inconsistencies in red dead 2 by using cheat engine with the unrandomizer, it forces the random number generator to always return the same values, so you could end up with a deterministic benchmark run :)
  • @timduncan6750
    6:50 Smiled when I saw the only thing you add is Notepad++ because this is truly the only thing I miss since going from Windows to Mac on my work computer...
  • @s3rit661
    1:00 yes, silicon lottery, btw it happened the same with 5K series with AM4, they simply overclock themselves until 90c
  • @jamesmatthews291
    Well done. Possibly the most thorough and well-explained video on the effects* of the Silicon Lottery I've ever seen. *Not covering much on the causes, or it would've been a two hour video! In fact, can we have an updated video on that please?
  • @Just_another_tom
    As PhD researcher, this is my favorite video that you guys have published in a while. Love the data and scientific process used here guys. Keep it up, go labs go!!
  • @XTRLFX
    I never got lucky in silicon lottery but once. That was an Northwood P4 that can be pushed from 1.8 to 2.8 Ghz. For RAM I'm usually happy if I get the values printed on the sticks to run stable.
  • @Lmmolsen
    @17:24 discretely showcasing bad blood between Gamers Nexus and LTT 😅