Jon Meacham with David Rubenstein: Abraham Lincoln and the American Struggle
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Published 2023-04-26
Jon Meacham in Conversation with David Rubenstein: And There Was Light: Abraham Lincoln and the American Struggle
Abraham Lincoln was a President who governed a divided country, and he has much to teach us in a twenty first century moment of polarization and political crisis.
He was hated and hailed, excoriated, and revered and at the pinnacle of American power when implacable secessionist gave nothing in a clash of visions bound up with money, race, identity, and faith. Join Pulitzer Prize winning biographer and New York Times bestselling author Jon Meacham in conversation with bestselling author and cofounder and cochairman of the Carlyle Group David Rubenstein when they discuss the life of Abraham Lincoln, charting how and why — he confronted secession, threats to democracy, and the tragedy of slavery to expand the possibilities of America.
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All Comments (21)
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interviews and conversations of this calibre are greatly appreciated. Both David Rubenstein and Jon Meacham are doing their bit to keep the American story alive and well. And pointing us towards that possibility (& our responsibility) of "a more perfect union". Thanks for posting this video. Thanks to David Rubenstein and Jon Meacham for an outstanding interview.
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A historian with a sense of humor. Wonderful. Thank you for the interview. Lovely rich voice. Appreciate his self-effacing manner and humility. ❤
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I will never get tired of listening to Jon Meacham. In interviews like this, delivering a sermon from the National Cathedral, or on a news network, he is always mesmerizing. His understanding of history is a national treasure.
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I learn so much every time I get to hear Jon Meacham! Thank you!
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A splendidly brilliant conversation!
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I love this book. I think it is so timely and relevant with the time we are living.
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THANK YOU VERY "MUCH" FOR THIS CAPTIVATING "CONVERSA- TION😮" ON THE NEW BOOK BY JOHN MEACHAM😊/ ABOUT THE GREAT/ *ABOLISH- MENT OF SLAVERY*/ AMERICAN PRESIDENT❤/ ABRAHAM LINCOLN/ OF THE "AMERICAN NATION"😮.
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Delightful discussion and meaningful history of our nation. Thank You.
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7:46 speaker of the house Mike Johnson (April 2024 ) should listen to this lecture from Meacham!
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Great talk
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Fantastic!
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The heart is what God is going to weigh.Let us pray for one another. ❤🎉❤🎉
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The Coldest Winter. Finished it! Truman leaned on Lincoln's firing of a general when retiring MacArthur.
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Two other recent book on the subject of US democracy and the tension between democracy/oligarchy (pré and post civil war) are "Civil War by Other Means" by Jeremi Suri & "How the South won the Civil War"..
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What happened to the "better angels" that were supposed to spring from the republican party and bring the Trump administration and the ism down?
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In Software Engineering we number the first bit as A0 or A Zero, not A One. In many ways the American Civil War or war between the states was World War Zero or the precursor to the 20th Century war between the states of Europe. These wars actually represented the emergence of true political democratic states. The states of Europe had emerged from European monarchies. 600,00 American Civil War dead was the equivalent of 6 million dead today by proportion, for a country with 31 million in 1865 vs 330 million today. Slavery had been part of the ancient biblical world and took root in the Western Hemisphere. The danger also was 3.5 million slaves and 5.5 million whites in the southern population which was mostly poor. Lincoln understood the world historical significance of the events.
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Anyone please let me know your favorite book on the relationship between Lincoln and Douglass?
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14:58 Perhaps, the reason that the Southern states (especially those who produced cotton) turned down the North's offer of the Corwin Amendment (which would have made chattel slavery legal in perpetuity in those jurisdictions where it existed) was because the war really wasn't about slavery at all; but rather, the issue of tariffs on cotton (which Lincoln also said in his campaign speeches that he would collect by force if necessary). Reinforcing the troops at a coastal embattlement strategically positioned to control shipping was merely making good on his campaign promise. And if the war was truly over slavery, then why did Virginia not secede until Lincoln demanded that they raise troops to invade states they considered to be their neighbors?
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Wasn`t Lincoln quoted, as saying, "Whatever you are, be a good one. " Wouldn`t that give a hint to his open-mindedness, empathy & good will toward the poor, & aggreaved, & to, even those, with a genderless interest in sexuality ?
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50:02 Re: "the lash and the sword" and the measure-for-measure quote. I agree Lincoln is making a metaphysical suggestion about justice. I don't know why Mr. Meacham immediately reaches for a personal god who is "interested in the unfolding drama" to be the agent of this justice. Can't it be an impersonal karma?
