The Incredibles Saga — The Very Best & Worst of Pixar

this scene from the first film has stuck with me for awhile: Lucius: “Remember Gazerbeam? he had trouble adjusting to civilian life too.” Bob: “have you seen him at all?” Lucius: “I haven’t seen anyone from the old days. just you.” they haven’t seen anyone from the old days cause they were being wiped out including Gazerbeam.

Syndrome is such a well written villain. While his motives sound lame on paper, it’s twisted and utilized into a wonderfully written character.

Something I noticed rewatching Incredibles recently is that when Helen tells the kids, "These aren't like the bad guys on TV. They will kill you," they're learning something we previously saw about this world when Bomb Voyage put a bomb on Buddy's cape.

Something you didn’t mention is that in the opening scenes of the first movie, the color palette is vibrant, but after the first time jump, the colors are nurtured a bit. Then starting in the middle half, the colors brighten up again. It really shows the downfall and uprise of Bob’s life.

The Incredibles 2 is Disney, The Incredibles was Pixar. One is an instrument for money and the other is art.

The sequel is definitely a result of Disney meddling with the product. The deleted scenes show a whole different plot/aspect, that it’s clear what we got was not what the director wanted, but what the execs wanted/approved of. Damn it Disney.

Helen: “Everyone's special, Dash.” Dash: “Which is a way of saying no one is.” Later in the movie Syndrome: “Everyone can be super. And when everyone's super...no one will be.” The way forshadowed and set that up throughout the movie.

19:38 yeah, Dash running alongside the car makes perfect sense. We see in the principals office scene that Dash can run faster than a camera or human can catch. I don't doubt could have followed the car and ran onto the plane without Helen noticing. His sneakyness was set up earlier

I think a BIG problem between these two films is this... They lost the spy flair. You go back and watch the movie and you realise it's both a superhero adventure and a spy thriller, much like classic James Bond. From Syndrome's volcano island lair, to Helen's sequence for sneaking in, to even the soundtrack. Its all there, whilst the sequel lacks this element.

Not a plot hole. Edna knows the kids sizes because she is exceptionally thorough at her craft. She's a passionate wildcard with connections across the globe. Of course she knows the family's sizes. Do not fuck with Edna Mode, she knows where you live.

i just love the "fast paced" in the first movie, the characters are not just waiting for their lines to speak, they are actually answering what comes to their minds, and the way their voices comes out, is like they are in an actual room, not just voice actors records put in sequence of each other, a master piece, not to talk about the enemies or danger scenes, where u actually fell kinda scared, u can sense the adrenaline the family is on, it's overwhelming and u start to ask yourself how are they gonna pass through it

I'm surprised you didn't bring up Luscious talking to Bob about a bad guy who starts monologing about "how feeble I am, and how the world will soon be his! Yadda yadda yadda" Then Syndrome doing that exact thing.

they really wrote the best scenes in incredibles 2 only to cut each of them out

The first film felt a lot smarter (and more genre aware) than the second. Like Bob and Frozone talking about the cliche of villains monologuing, or how breaking down the walls of a burning building will bring down the whole structure, or watching Bob sneak around the facility on the island. They really felt like people who had been around the block as supers and knew what they were doing. The sequel lost that. It seemed to rely on the same tropes and cliches that the first movie subverted (or least used more inventively). The sequal almost felt like a Flanderization of the first movie (and the characters). Like it was trying to mimic the intelligence and "adult" themes of the first movie, but couldn't do so substantive way.

the incredibles 1 was unforgettable. the incredibles 2 was... unmemorable.

Man, those deleted scenes really made me realize how much this movie was missing.

One thing I love about the parents’ argument scene is that if you listen to the literal words they are saying, it’s not quite connected. That’s because the characters have had this conversation many times, and they’ve developed a shorthand for talking about the real issues without actually bringing up certain things. Bob complains that dash isn’t getting the attention and respect he deserves for his abilities, and what does Helen say? “This is not about you”. Bob isn’t talking about Dash, really, he’s using Dash as a stand in for himself, and propping his son up as an example because deep down he feels that if his son gets what he himself wants, then he can get what he wants too.

The best thing in Incredibles 2 is Bob’s “math is math, why would they change math”. It’s the most relatable thing in the film. I feel at least someone was trying in that scene at least.

20 years later and the plane scene from 1 still stresses me out. it's so well executed!

18:16 “it’s not a genre, it’s a medium”. I have said these exact words for so long. You have no idea my happiness in hearing these words.