We've Lost SO MUCH!! | Mutiny + Thunderbringer | Epic The Musical Reaction/Analysis

Eurylochus, the Odyssey: "Every form of death is vile to us wretched mortals, but the most wretched way to die is by starvation. So, let us cut out the finest of Helios’ cattle, and sacrifice to the gods of the wide heavens. And if we return to Ithaca, our own land, let us build a fine temple to Helios Hyperion, and fill it with precious gifts. And if he is angered at the loss of his long-horned kine and chooses to wreck our ship, the other gods’ agreeing, well for myself I would rather die quickly in the waves, than waste away slowly on a desert island." Even in the original, Eurylochus really sounds like he had just kinda given up at this point

26:14 Mortious is such a genuinely nice guy that he doesn't catch Mr. Cheater Zeus himself is just straight objectifying pride like he would a woman

"Deep down I would trade the world to see my son and wife." He was being honest. Edit: When I made the connection with this line, I had not even connected Scylla's "Deep down" But wow! I love foreshadowing! So cool!

Some fun facts: - In the Odyssey, Circe is the one that tells Odysseus to steer close to Scylla because it’s either her or Charybis, but the latter would kill more men - The cattle belongs to Helios, the god of the sun, who is also CIRCE’S DAD It’s funny how even after they left Circe’s island, she’s still very important to the story

The reason for having Zeus make all those comparisons is because he is both a god of judgement and also a MASSIVE creep

“The blood on your hands is something you won’t lose; all you can choose is whose.”

That melody that plays at the end of Thunderbringer is called “Telemachus’s Lullaby” if you weren’t hurting enough

I do appreciate that AnniFlamma animated Zeus as appearing younger than her Poseidon. Zeus is so commonly the big white beard guy that everyone forgets he's canonically the youngest brother of the original 6 Olympians.

Zeus is a lot of things. But fair is one I wasn’t expecting for Thunder Bringer. “Choose: 1) accept punishment for your failure as a king and captain Or 2) let the perpetrators die for their crime against the gods. By the way Odysseus, don’t forget what you’re going to lose with that decision. You’re up cloud Penelope!”

So the thing with "pride is a damsel" bit is that Zeus is humanizing the concept of pride as a woman and then saying he is the only one allowed to have unchecked pride by saying he's the only one allowed to defile and deflower her

Anyone else notice how during Thunder Bringer it is one of the first times the crew doesn't call out to Odysseus when they're about to die/in danger. Because for the first time during their travels they know that he wont save them. Even during Mutiny, when they leave the island, they turn to Odysseus for guidance, despite claiming not to trust him anymore. But this time, where it's their captain himself that dooms them, not a single person, not even Eurylochus calls for him to aide them. Odysseus has put himself(Penelope) first and the crew knows there's nothing to do about it, and instead accept he wont save them, and therefore attack him. Just a fun thing I noticed :)

The “anni leave me alone😭”was too real right before we know what is to come

I love how you do the half of mutiny in the thumbnail by coloring part of the word

Mortious: ANNI NO! PLEASE NO! Jorge: ANNI YES! PLEASE YES!

14:40 "he still cares so much for his friend" ....Thunderbringer just looming waiting to ruin the day

Something I feel like a lot of ppl gloss over abt Zeus' charactrerization is he's not just personifying Pride as a woman to show off how much he gets around, he's expressly doing it to possess her. There's a deep violence to the way Zeus, king of gods, pursues many of his trysts (such as Io, who he turned into a cattle to then hide from Hera) and it's being underlined here-- while he's not the only Olympian to chase and bed a fleeing woman, he's showing off that aspect as a boast. It's something only a king can get away with announcing-- Poseidon plays it chill and pretends he's laid-back until provoked, but Zeus tells you what he is and then dares you to do something about it. Just a bit of characterization that I really appreciate Jorge using, it makes him into a great heel for this moment and turns his ultimatum into something almost expected.

Something I have noticed. Post Monster Ody almost never uses "we" when talking about going home or the trials everyone have gone through, where as before monster he uses 'we' quite a bit. But now it's almost always 'I' when talking about struggles or making it home.

Bad part about cutting Mutiny: I had to wait longer for my favorite part of it Good part about cutting Mutiny: We get the EPIC transition from Mutiny to Thunderbringer in one video I'll take the Good part lol

Funny thought but at the end of mutiny when Ody yells "Eurylochus NO!" it's not just because he doesn't want him killing the cows but also because he knows what those words can do to someone. He knows the pain and suffering the words "i'm just a man" can lead to. He doesn't want Eurylochus experiencing that same pain he has had to experience.

Something I find interesting is that Odyseuss and Eurylochus still call each other "friend" after the sacrifice/mutiny; it really shows that we picked up their journey late and they've experienced so much