Trickle-Down Balance

“Every playstyle has its place in competitive” cant wait to see the spycrab buff.

"every play style has a place in competitive" looks at the ban list So that was a fucking lie

Yeah, that was always wrong. Comp and casual were never similar.

>Average >Shows footage of him playing Good one, Dane. I’ve always liked the Texan Half Hour Comedy Hour.

As we all know, Ronald Reagan actually invented Team Fortress 2 in 1986.5.

so the caber is never going to be fixed because pros don't use it amazing

Fun-fact, trickle down economics doesn't work either.

"Or just inexplicitly bad at TF2" LOOK MOM IM ON UNCLE DANES!

7:17 His medic... I went to the page I was disappointed seriously, there's nothing there. 1 star on yelp

Did Uncle Dane smokes all my drugs when making that intro?

And just like trickle down economics, it is a complete myth

you're justifying. my man, the sandman, was murdered, and you're justifying.

One thing most people never bring up for some reason is that casual and competitive play have different formats. Competitive is 6 players, has class limits, weapon bans and frequent communication. Casual doesn't have any of this. This is why I feel that the whole "if it's balanced for competitive it's balanced for pubs" logic is flawed. The Engineer, for example, isn't particularly useful in 6v6. It's a class that performs better in numbers, but he's limited to one. And yet, we all have stories of having to face a nasty nest of sentries in pubs. Lack of communication makes things worse. This isn't to say that Engie is OP, but he's definitely more useful in casual play. And then, we come to the Spy. Pretty much useless in comp no matter what weapon he holds. Does this mean no weapon in his arsenal should be nerfed? Not necessarily. The entire community let a sigh of relief with the DR nerf, yet that thing has never made any impact in competitive (that I know of). Again, not saying that balancing for higher skill players is a bad thing. I think competitive should be kept in mind. However, I wholeheartedly don't think doing so will AUTOMATICALLY make a weapon balanced across all levels of play.

when is volvo gonna finally nerf teh son on a stik?

My main issue with balancing towards comp when it comes to tf2 is how different comp is to pubs

this is perfect because it compares a non functioning theory of economics with a non functioning theory of game balance

I genuinely never thought of the buffs/nerfs like that. Thanks Dane!

I agree with you, but I'm gonna go ahead and play devil's advocate for the sake of having an interesting discussion: What are your thoughts on things that thrive in a chaotic pub-like setting (like phlog, or hell, pyro in general after JI)? Against an organized team, these kinds of weapons will not be nearly as effective since communication is the norm there, but against a team full of "Joe Schmoes", as you put it, it often feels like there's absolutely nothing you can do to stop it, since they likely don't even know how to use text/voice chat. Of course, the obvious answer here is "just have better communication" or "learn to counter it", but again, in a pub that's much easier said than done. Personally I'm of the opinion that people gradually learn to have better communication and learn to counter these types of things, and so the "Trickle-Down Balance" system will eventually work, but I've heard many people make the argument that the constant influx of new players into TF2 means that there will never be a perfect balance between comp and casual. I suppose that's where the compromises need to be made.

"Millions of players" That's a funny joke. :(