The Dark side of Science: The Horror of the Ape and The Child Experiment 1932 (Short Documentary)

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Imagine being the worst parents in the world for two different species

"Ultimately, Gua was limited by the fact she was a chimpanzee" Yes, I imagine that COULD be an issue.

How did these people expect to treat a chimp like a human being when they couldn’t even treat their own child like a human being?

Gua and Donald seemed very attached to each other, so I actually find the most cruel part of this video the fact that they were abruptly separated after having spent their entire life together and clearly depended on each other

"Straight away the Kelloggs started noticing the physical and behavioral differences between the 2 infants"... How observant of them!

Imagine having a kid and immediately thinking, “I’m gonna use them as a test subject!” 💀

As someone with POTS, I have a feeling Gua’s disorientation after standing upright for long also had to do with her circulation not being suited for long upright times. She probably got less bloodflow to her head after standing upright for periods that were longer than the chimp’s system were built to handle.

The fact that Donald grew up to study psychiatry should speak volumes on how his whole upbringing affected his life. He was probably trying to understand why humans could do that to animals and other humans.

There is something inherently evil about the name Kellogg.

Shooting off a gun to purposely startle a baby and a chimp? Spinning a child around until he is visibly sickened and in terrible distress? This is so disgusting.

According to Wikipedia, Donald committed suicide in 1973 (at about 42) so he was clearly forever traumatised by being experimented on in a cruel way. His parents don’t sound like they were ever good to him. Gua’s story is sad but Donald had to live with his terrible upbringing for decades until presumably he couldn’t handle it anymore. I can’t imagine how torturous his life must have been.

"Raise it like a child" "Abandon it after a year or so" It's not hard to imagine why Donald's life ended in tragedy. He probably spent most of his childhood being a guinea pig for his parents' ambitions. They viewed their son as a subject.

This experiment was so unnecessary for psych, people already knew at the time that there are limitations in anatomy of differing species. The Kellogs were some of the most frustrating and stupidly cruel researchers on the planet.

The scientists failed miserably, because they treated both as test subjects. Neither was raised like a human child. Another huge mistake was giving away Gua after 9 months. If they kept caring for Gua, even as a pet, I think it would be super interesting to see how they differ 10 years down the line. Instead they traumatized both children by separating them, leaving Gua with a weak immune system and Donald with stunted development. I’m sure the bond between Donald and Gua would have lasted a lifetime, even if Gua never acted like a human. This shit broke my heart man😪

I feel so bad for Gua and Donald being pulled apart like that. I bet that was so hard for both of them 😢

Pro tip watch this in 1.25 playback and it sounds like he’s talking a normal speed

On the speech part of this, my mother was deaf and my father was a workaholic, but we had lots of cats. According to them, my first "words" were meows for attention and hisses when I was upset. Thank goodness we had a family next door I could play with. Then my real first word was "moon" (I think I was asking for it, not understanding it was far away.)

Everyone is talking about how horrible it would have been for gua and i agree 100% but imagine how Donald felt. He was used along side Gua as an experiment child. He never really had a full social development as most of his prime development from infant to toddler were surrounded by experiments. Imagine having to hear gunshots and getting hit on the head at less than a year old. I think this experiment was pretty cruel, not just to Gua, but also to Donald. Glad the mother said to terminate it.

I can’t believe both parents were allowed to do this. To actually use their own child in an experiment like this and then publish a book about it later. Depriving their child of a normal upbringing where he could socialise was extremely evil and bound to end badly. I wasn’t at all surprised when I heard he took his own life at 43 years old. This is such a tragic story that didn’t need to happen.