It's Not Just A Climate Crisis | Mike Joy

A good bloke that Mike... I wish we had more like him.

Not only beautiful and fearless, but highly impressive intelligence displayed in this episode. Great job Rachel!

A great interview with Mike Joy - who has quietly held a light to the story of what's happening in the waters of Āotearoa New Zealand AND of the links to the short-termist, self-serving, tunnel-visioned cult of market fundamentalism. New Zealand, with our flawed colonial history still today shaped by weakly regulated landscape consumption. Mike Joy: a professional scientist and expert fresh water ecologist, now teaching in the Victoria University School of Governance and Policy Studies. I look up to Dr Joy as a leader (like Planet: Critical) in the bringing of "Collapse 101" to us all AND in the gentlest possible way! Permit me this little story: I saw young resilience radicals a few years ago at an Ōtaki Summer Camp field trip led by Mike. An indelible image on my mind: the keen curiosity of the young Summer Campers, gathering on the banks around Mike as he searched under rocks, catching crawlers & aquatic life in his river net, and quietly teaching, teaching, teaching. Our young climate champions saw Mike Joy: working for life on Earth, the Good Boomer, standing in his waders in the cool river where the Ōtaki River Forks into the mountains north of Wellington. Mike has really climbed mountains. He has surely seen the Promised Land and wept "what have we done?". Mike Joy is indeed a science communicator for our time. So he's an exemplar for younger scientists of the vocational paradigm of integrity and service to the Social Responsibility of Science. A wonderful interview Rachel, to be enjoyed again and shared. Truth and justice shine here. Jack Santa Barbara and Tina Ngata..good platforms choices Dr Joy!

fascinating information - on environmental pollution and the 1 milligram standard ! Thanks - Nitrate pollution is a big big problem in farm country around here. "The most common cause of blue baby syndrome is water contaminated with nitrates. After a baby drinks formula made with nitrate-rich water, the body converts the nitrates into nitrites. These nitrites bind to the hemoglobin in the body, forming methemoglobin, which is unable to carry oxygen."

“People who pride themselves on their ‘complexity’ and deride others for being "simplistic" should realize that the truth is often not very complicated. What gets complex is evading the truth.” Thomas Sowell

Such awesome chemistry between you two. Thank you for getting the best out of all your guests.

that's from Robin Dunbar's research on the 200 people - "This number was first proposed in the 1990s by British anthropologist Robin Dunbar, who found a correlation between primate brain size and average social group .."

Great idea Rachael on having A Real Cop. Brilliant actually, in my opinion

“It is hard to imagine a more stupid or more dangerous way of making decisions than by putting those decisions in the hands of people who pay no price for being wrong.” Thomas Sowell

#RealCOP!! Yes!! That is a GREAT idea! Thanks for that, @Rachel. ✊🏻✊🏻

I and my family have lived off grid for 7 years. Our place is adjacent to a small town and our house has normal appliances. But having said that we don't have a large screen TV, our fridge and freezer are not enormous etc. We've learnt to use high energy things when it's sunny, vacuum during the day not at night etc. My point is that on an individual level it is possible to re-educate your self and be happy and live within limits. What goes wrong is the advertising industry and social media that stirs up discontent and envy.

Let those of us who want to farm do it and support the artists who do not.

I think that Overshoot Day is too generous - it doesn't include the past debts from "ecological imperialism"

Read Stephen Buhner's Earth Grief, pages 130 - 155 discusses the medical/pharmaceutical industry's damage to the earth's air and water. The pages prior to the medical discussion are also very interesting - all about plastics (which are used widely in the medical arena).

I wonder if anyone has tried adding charcoal to the soil on those dairy farms... to absorb the nitrites. Terra Preta soil, in the Amazon holds on to nutrients, rather than allowing them to be flushed into the ground water. The carbon water filtres for home use remove nitrites..

This is great - especially the last 10 minutes!

I love how y'all talked about the "new economy or society". Yes, I have heard that we are "wired" to know 200 folks even in a huge City. Rachel, I loved what you said about the arts. I will remember that as my grandchildren inherently enjoy dancing around my house to music. I am a Chemist and my husband is an Electrician. My husband embraces green technology and I eschew it but "it takes all kinds". The "new society" will need farmers, artists, writers, etc. I hope we get to this new society. I am 58 years old so I believe the results of permafrost thaw, loss of the cryosphere and wet bulb temperatures may outpace societal power structure change but we must keep trying. For now I will sing, dance, feed wild animals and birds in my yard and grow flowers and vegetables.

It’s too bad the US isn’t willing to lead the way on this. I hope Europe can manage to get together and start the party you dream about.

Good COP/Bad COP Excellent Ep. I love the show. Thank you...

As society simplifies, art does not disappear but disperses. Specialists in the arts, from violinists to the novelist to the Manhattan artist, will fall aside to be replaced by folk art, home art, the professional table gossip, the storyteller, street juggler, and all those riff raf thar the symphony goer rolls the eyes at. Democratization of art comes with climate serfdom.