How to Spot Logical Fallacies (Featuring Joe Rogan and Ben Shapiro)

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Mr. Beat reacts to an episode of the Joe Rogan Experience featuring Ben Shapiro to point out and define common logical fallacies.

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The full episode I'm reacting to:    • Joe Rogan Experience #1512 - Ben Shapiro  

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I regularly listen to both Joe Rogan and Ben Shapiro’s podcasts.

So I was excited last summer to see that Shapiro had once again appeared as a guest on The Joe Rogan Experience. Episode 1512 on July 22, 2020. However, something really stood out to me as I listened. There were A LOT of logical fallacies in this episode. Like, more than normal. This was disappointing to me, especially since Shapiro is known as a logical dude (clip at 2:10)

Logical fallacies are common errors in reasoning based on bad logic.

Puppet: Wait, what is logic?

Well I’m glad you asked puppet. There are many definitions of logic. The one I’m gonna use for this video is reaching a reasonable conclusion by adequately analyzing facts.

For example, if someone spends too much money to a point where they can’t afford basic necessities, then it is logical to conclude they should save their money to have more of it.

At first glance, a logical fallacy seems to be true, but once we apply the rules of logic, it is problematic. Often, we use logical fallacies and we don’t even realize it. Logical fallacies hurt our ability to argue, but more importantly, they cause us to fall for crappy arguments.

So back to the latest Joe Rogan Experience with Ben Shapiro. What I’ll do is first play the clip and then explain the logical fallacy you just heard. I even have puppets to help me out again.

I know I was a bit nitpicky, and perhaps I even got some of these wrong, but I just wanted to show you how two smart, entertaining people, can be guilty of a lot of logical fallacies in just an hour and a half of conversation. I counted _____ of them.
For the record, I still enjoyed the episode.

And I am also definitely guilty of using logical fallacies himself. One of my goals lately has been to stop using them when I form arguments.

So join me. Let’s all be logical. And boring. Yeah. Woohoo.


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All Comments (21)
  • @iammrbeat
    Scroll down for some more logical fallacies. :) Subscribe for more puppets! www.youtube.com/channel/UCCC38u45KCmNDe9X4ozxqlA Also, what do you think of the video? Was I too hard on Rogan and Shapiro? For the record, I struggle with being logical. The logical fallacies I am most guilty of are the strawman fallacy and the hasty generalization fallacy. Which ones are you guilty of the most? Edit: I'm getting a lot of comments that they were just having a "casual conversation," so therefore we shouldn't call them out for making logical fallacies. Two responses to this: 1) It's not a casual, informal conversation when it's broadcast to tens of millions of people 2) Logical fallacies are not just made in debates. Any time someone makes any claim, they can make a logical fallacy.
  • @thorealparis8959
    When my logic and philosophy teacher first told us about fallacies, he gave us a paper with 15 fallacies and their definitions, and went about his day. Our class was discussion based, but from then on, he called out every fallacy he heard us commit, *every single one*, until eventually, out of annoyance, we tried our hardest to not commit them when having a discussion.
  • @Evanderj
    Me: “Wow, is everything a fallacy?” Mr Beat: “That’s an existential fallacy.”
  • @olov244
    the most annoying thing is when someone spits out like 6 lies in one comment, it's impossible to correct them all as quickly, so they think they win the argument
  • @PrentedImNotHere
    Ben: “Facts don’t care about your feelings” Also Ben: uses anecdotal fallacy
  • @Maoistan
    "Jeff Bezos is left leaning" has got to be the funniest shit I've heard all year.
  • @chrisalvino812
    The straw man fallacy is the one I have the hardest dealing with. I usually have discussions and debates in good faith, and then when I get hit with straw mans I spend all my time breaking them apart, only to be hit by other straw men. And then I'll realize we're on a completely different topic that's miles away from my original argument
  • @prschuster
    It's called pulling a Shapiro - throwing arguments at you faster than you can react.
  • @evandonovan9239
    It's probably worth stating that some fallacies are worse than others. Most of the fallacies in this video are informal fallacies and, as such, identifying them is somewhat subjective. I also thought it was interesting that people were saying in the comments, "You can't critique their comments because they were just having a conversation, not a debate." That doesn't matter at all. If people are making statements about what is real and what is true, then it's possible for them to make logical fallacies in those statements. And, if they do so, that undermines the validity of what they are saying, although what they are saying may still be true regardless.
  • “I think we all agree that LA is somewhere in the middle” That’s an appeal to popular opinion fallacy Mr. Beat 😏
  • @elterga6224
    I think it’s important to acknowledge that most fallacies are just a misuse of valid arguments. For example, the slippery slope argument is valid when applied properly. “If you don’t set your alarm in the morning, you’ll get in trouble at work.” You can call anything a fallacy, but that puts the burden on you as to why that argument isn’t valid.
  • @AviKats66
    We’re very often going to make some sort logical fallacy during unscripted conversation. It’s when people have glaring logical fallacies in their long-standing, pre-meditated arguments that they keep perpetuating that we need to seriously address these fallacies.
  • @zombieinkhakis6891
    The real problem with logical fallacies is that even if you learn the most used ones and know how to explain that it’s not a good argument the other side can continue to use fallacies and veil their argument in a way where you can’t get any actual meaningful points in cause you are too busy dealing with and refuting their poor argument
  • @RigoVids
    I would greatly implore anyone interested in logical argument to take a discrete mathematics or proofs class. People say they hate it but I genuinely think it’s some of the most fascinating framing of daily concepts.
  • @alexbrennan5985
    I really respect the fact that you have no specific political bias, you just logically dismantle bad faith arguments
  • @jpdoe9005
    I have heard Jeff Bezos described in a lot ways but never before as "left-leaning"
  • @Ignasimp
    "In general people generalize too much." hahaha
  • @DavidSchanes
    "Of course you would say that, you're a jerk" got me so good.