"Does My Cult Smell Like Your Cult?" (COMPARING OUR CULTS!) | ft. @TheAmandaRaeGrant(Ep 5)

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Published 2023-11-19
Someone in Amanda’s cult cut her neck when she tried to escape?!
WTF is the “3-Wife Rule?”
How did Fundamentalist Mormon cults start? And did the LDS Church have anything to do with it?

Amanda Rae is back on the pod! This is a fun conversation that dives in a lot of different topics, all things cult.

TIMESTAMPS
00:00:00 Teaser and Intro
00:01:38 Did Amanda turn into Calvin? (Episode begins)
00:03:48 Setting the conversation - comparing cults
00:05:55 Amanda's life in "The Order"
00:08:37 The "3 Wife" Rule
00:10:52 David Kingston
00:13:41 Narcissism and double-standards
00:18:23 The lack of accountability in Mormon cults
00:22:27 “The worst sin ever!” according to cult leader, John Timpson
00:25:54 Cult leaders are not always cult founders - How Warren Jeffs took power
00:32:58 Amanda has an epiphany!
00:34:43 What made Amanda start questioning her cult?
00:36:42 “Put It on the Shelf" — Mormon mind-tricks
00:40:25 Amanda’s first date is at Panda Express lol (How marriages happen)
00:44:38 Amanda is bleeding!
00:54:01 Why leaving a cult triggers existing members
00:56:28 Silly beliefs from Calvin and Amanda’s upbringing (Calvin plays audio when he was 8 years old)
01:02:24 Amanda explains “Numbered Men”
01:07:30 Amanda's dad secretly listened to her content
01:11:14 “Faith over questioning” - Order teaching
01:12:46 Calvin and Amanda finding their place in the world, post-cult
01:15:22 How the LDS Church created Fundamentalist Mormonism
01:21:26 The hardest parts of leaving a cult
01:23:37 Amanda finding benefits in “hard things”
01:25:20 Calvin deliberately choosing "hard"
01:32:10 The necessity of adopting whole new paradigms when leaving a cult
01:37:05 Calvin fell into depression after leaving, and the mindset that got him out of it
01:44:21 One of Calvin’s favorite quotes—“A mind full of conclusion has…”
01:47:10 Final thoughts
01:51:03 Please leave comments! And subscribe. It will help future episodes!

SHOWNOTES

About Amanda Rae:
Amanda Rae was in the show “Escaping Polygamy.” She has a YouTube channel where she exposes the teachings of the cult she was born into. You can catch her full story by going here:

About Calvin Wayman:
Hey I’m Calvin. I grew up in a Fundamentalist Mormon cult that practices polygamy, known as “The Work of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.” I have 1 dad, 4 moms, and 44 siblings. Yup. That’s not a typo—forty plus four. All in one house. At 30 years old, I made the most difficult decision of my life and faced hell fire and damnation (according to my religious upbringing) by choosing to leave my religion, and start a whole new life on my own.

The last few years have been me getting my feet under me, and today I live in New York City. This show is my expression. My perspectives. My art. I hope to bring awareness to cults, but more importantly, to the underrated power of individual sovereignty. Above all, this is a podcast that celebrates curiosity over conclusion. I hope you enjoy.

All Comments (21)
  • @Quiteinfamous
    As a black person i’m so fascinated by these cults. I like to know why people hate me
  • @andierichter1382
    I just have to say you guys have such a good on screen chemistry. You guys have like old school radio host or talk show host energy going on. Best of luck to you both and thank you for sharing you stories! I grew up in a pretty rigid religious system myself that did have some ties to the IBLP so listing to you guys makes me some how feel seen. I was never Mormon but It is actually pretty shocking how many parallels there is between mormonism and extreme Christianity. You guys rock!
  • @SimplyLore
    The Kingstons: we don't play the game of broken hearts. But our teachings make everyone (except our numbered men) unhappy for life. Yay 🎉
  • @candace9243
    I'm from Southern Utah, about 25 min from Centennial Park so I listen to A LOT of LDS and FLDS channels on YouTube. I have seen you on a couple of channels already and I really enjoyed your episodes. So glad I found you here. You are surprisingly smart and articulate and you really know how to tell a story. I enjoyed listening in on the easy, back-and-forth conversation between you and Amanda. Keep going, Calvin! I think you have the potential to become huge on this platform. ♡♡♡
  • One thing every Mormon has in common is the belief that they are doing it better than everyone else. Loved listening to this.
  • @C_majuscula
    "Put it on the shelf" kept me in from 12-38 years old. Anger at sexism, homophobia, and racism eventually got me out.
  • @miriame.3475
    This was so interesting! I grew up in a pretty mild catholic cult (Schoenstatt apostolic movement) in a very atheistic European country. I left both the group and the catholic church at age 17. Nobody cared, even my parents were completly fine with it. But I've always been interested in cults, the experiencez in them and the psychology behind them. Thank you for this glimpse into your life and experiences!
  • @pjswisdom
    I appreciate the honesty, humor, and occasional irreverence! Life is beautiful when we live in a state of gratitude—even for the tough moments! ❤
  • @racheld7528
    This is a great episode! I can’t wait to hear the one comparing the LDS church to FLDS. I left the LDS church a few years ago and I am still deconstructing. I am sad that I still get shocked by things. I feel I shouldn’t be shocked at this point.
  • @ajmuda
    The idea of polygamy being vastly easier when you dont actually love the husband, is an idea shared with joseph smith and brigham youngs wives as well. Their journal entries in "In Sacred Loneliness" share this.
  • @emmawood1232
    It was meee 😂 it was also me with cults to consciousness for Amanda 😂 love these videos so insightful
  • @shimmyalot
    I know that I have listened to far too much culty content because absolutely none of what y'all said sounded strange to me. But I am a regular viewer of Amanda, Growing up in Polygamy, Morman Stories Podcast, and Cults to Consciousness so I'm probably way past my culty content allowance, lol.
  • @dcinkc58
    I've led a fairly conventional life (being gay, not withstanding) so I've never been in a cult. I've learned a ton about them by watching videos like this. I've watched a lot on Amanda's channel and all of Calvin's so far. Really loved hearing you both talk about finding your way to critical thinking and self awareness which ultimately lead to your freedom. You both have so much empathy for your loved ones that are still in. I hope some of those people see your videos and start to question their brainwashing. Keep up the great work of telling your stories!
  • @dorapakozdi4578
    Both of you are wonderfully earnest, articulate people and it is a joy to hear from you. Wishing nothing but the best in life going forward.❤
  • @m.h.5161
    Amanda fan right here! Calvin, you’ll see a lot of us following haha
  • @racheld7528
    I definitely resonate with Amanda. I always questioned everything. It is taught in the LDS church that when we die we will live polygamy and that sounded like hell to me. I didn’t want my husband to be married to someone else on the other side. I’m glad I questioned things. My son will be better at critical thinking than me and hopefully just keep going down the line.
  • @racheld7528
    It’s amazing how many LDS members don’t really know their own history or don’t want to think about it. They excuse it away etc. I was taught to make sure and explain that I was not part of any polygamous group in any way. It’s very looked down on! However the truth is that the Mormon church is the way it is because of polygamy
  • @harchar8983
    This was so insightful. Thank you for letting us watch this conversation. 52-57 mins was incredible, this exact sentiment and feeling can be overlayed in so many churches, work places and social situations. I can't believe more ppl haven't seen this yet. Its a really great insight for any "parent aged" people to watch in regard to how different levels of discipline make a child feel, grow and rebel. I loved the grace that was portrayed when discussing "why" and allowing space and humour for contemplation and perspective differences. thank you again ❤ If the creators read this: i genuinely enjoyed and shared this video. the closing thoughts were great, the 2 different perspectives and a genuine invitation to comment inspired me to reach out and let you know that THAT is why im commenting. Please keep inviting people to comment, something about the way you encouraged it made me comment... which i rarely do on videos. For some reason every time there was an advert it would restart the video at the beginning; this was probably my fault for trying to share it at different points to different people.. but just in case it isn't i thought id let you know 🤪