A framework for PM skill development | Vikrama Dhiman (Gojek)

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Published 2024-05-12
Vikrama Dhiman heads all things product at Gojek, including product management, design, program management, and research, across Indonesia, Singapore and India. He has over 16 years of experience building internet products, consults with Fortune 500 companies, and is among the most well-known and respected product leaders in all of Asia. In our conversation, we discuss:
• The most common traits among successful product managers
• The 3 W’s framework for PM career growth
• The Four A’s of leveling up in product management
• The right way to push back as a PM
• Common pitfalls that stall PM careers
• Vikrama’s advice for transitioning into product management
• Why intent alone is not enough



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Find the transcript at: www.lennysnewsletter.com/p/a-framework-for-pm-skil…

Where to find Vikrama Dhiman:
• X: twitter.com/vikramadhiman
• LinkedIn: www.linkedin.com/in/vikrama/
• Website: www.vikramadhiman.com/

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In this episode, we cover:
(00:00) Vikrama’s background
(03:56) Three common traits among great PMs
(07:09) The first W: What you produce
(15:40) The second W: What you bring to the table
(18:58) The third W: What’s your operating model?
(20:36) Three traits that make you a great PM to work with
(21:49) How to improve the quality and quantity of your outputs
(23:26) The art of the pushback
(26:55) Common factors that impede career growth
(33:39) Vikrama’s personal reflections
(39:33) Choosing which skill(s) to focus on developing
(46:28) The ambiguity of the PM role
(51:47) The 8 axis for PM growth
(56:57) Contrarian corner: Why intent alone is not enough
(59:30) Lightning round

Referenced:
• Taxi mafias, cash vaults, and 100% MoM growth: The story behind Southeast Asia’s biggest startup | Kevin Aluwi (Gojek): www.lennysnewsletter.com/p/taxi-mafias-cash-vaults…
• How to scrappily hire for, measure, and unlock growth | Crystal Widjaja, Gojek and Kumu: www.lennysnewsletter.com/p/how-to-hire-for-measure…
• Gojek: www.gojek.com/en-id
• SQL: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SQL
• Oracle: www.oracle.com/
• Crystal Widjaja on LinkedIn: www.linkedin.com/in/crystalwidjaja
• Raditya Wibowo: www.linkedin.com/in/raditya-wibowo-a0845436/?origi…
• Sidu Ponnappa on LinkedIn: www.linkedin.com/in/sidup
• Leveraging mentors to uplevel your career | Jules Walter (YouTube, Slack): www.lennysnewsletter.com/p/leveraging-mentors-to-u…
• Kevin Aluwi on LinkedIn: www.linkedin.com/in/kaluwi/
• Workday: www.workday.com/
• Salesforce: www.salesforce.com/
• Small Data: The Tiny Clues That Uncover Huge Trends: www.amazon.com/Small-Data-Clues-Uncover-Trends/dp/…
• Originals: How Non-Conformists Move the World: www.amazon.com/Originals-How-Non-Conformists-Move-…
• Thinking, Fast and Slow: www.amazon.com/Thinking-Fast-Slow-Daniel-Kahneman/…
• Miss Congeniality on Prime Video: www.amazon.com/Miss-Congeniality-Sandra-Bullock/dp…
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• DramaBox: www.dramaboxapp.com/
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• Crazy Rich Asians on Prime Video: www.amazon.com/Crazy-Rich-Asians-Constance-Wu/dp/B…
• 9 Best Hawker Centers in Singapore—and What to Eat There: www.afar.com/magazine/best-hawker-centers-in-singa…

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All Comments (21)
  • @crissyw
    Vikrama is one of the best PM leaders in the world, period. He thinks so deeply and with such practicality without missing kindness and human empathy. You are incredible Vik!!!! Sharing these insights are an absolute gem.
  • @GaganMahajan3
    “When early in career, focus on output “ can vouch for it having directly mentored by Vikrama early in my PM career
  • @DJRod91
    4 months into my career as a PM and I feel like I just unlocked a cheat code watching this.
  • @pinay_trk2160
    This is one of the best podcasts that I've heard on product management. In a world where product gyaan is peddled left, right and center - this one is a calm, composed and practical advice.
  • @Aysegul0263
    Overall, this is a very good podcast with plenty of frameworks. The philosophical and the practical side are covered equally well. I really like how the host does a good job of recapping the gist to land it even better.
  • Really really thanks you aboth for awesome video. This is the first time I visit Lenny's channel.
  • @yildizdeniz7219
    What I like about this podcast is that it goes wide and deep at the same time. I really liked the 3W framework for impact. It is a great way to remember and remind myself on what I need to focus on and what's missing right now. The second W - What you bring to the table is such a key thing.
  • @stevegrantz9141
    The hawker center recommendation at the end is a useful indicator that the rest of the podcast has to be solid advice.
  • I got the recommendation from Youtube and am right now listening to few episodes. This podcast is good.
  • @braydenhaws4344
    This should be canon for all PM's. I think the tech bubble had a bad effect on PMs, made many of us too complacent. I love that you are pushing us all to improve!
  • Absolutely fantastic. Must listen for all product managers esp those just starting their careers.
  • @beibeihu4992
    Lenny, I think your content is really excellent and solid. Today I attended an online conference, but I have to say that some of the discussions by the speakers didn't offer much insight or substance. So, I opened up your video, and I feel like no matter how long your videos are, I'm willing to watch them to the end. They are very, very rewarding.
  • @jkidsimon
    A great episode that resonates with me as a product manager with ten years of experience.The important thing is the basic skills and then the continuous progress in the daily life.And how to manage yourself, control what you can control, the flavor of Stoic philosophy in it.
  • @farhankabir8085
    Thanks Lenny and Vikrama! The way Vikrama covered the intricacies on the different aspects of a PM is outstanding! Very helpful insights
  • @tnabizade
    One of the best episodes from Lenny!
  • @swpcy
    Such a valuable episode (like always). Vikrama's grounded perspective is inspiring.
  • @Theatriics
    Thank you so much for this video. I am struggling in my current entry PM role and Vikrama has given me better guidance and advice than my actual manager. Love the frameworks!!
  • 29:22 This is a very good framing of such a wide problem that I see with the folks in my team. Thanks Vikrama and Lenny!