Guide To Integrating With Your Shadow - NEW Jordan Peterson Insights & Old + Carl Jung

Hey guys, thank you for your comments and support for this video, it's definitely one of the better ones, performance-wise. Your kind (and even a couple not so kind) comments contribute to that, so thank you! That said, not everyone will appreciate everything this video covers, and I understand that. Recently, it's been brought to my attention that the Koine Greek word "praus" may actually mean something different from the definition Jordan Peterson gives (at least slightly). I don't think Peterson is wrong, but of course it's possible, and I'm digging into all of the sources I have on the subject. If you have any sources to back up either argument, please feel free to post them below - the truth is what we're trying to get at here. And with that in mind, here's my attempt to give you a clearer picture of what I believe the word means - not to prove to you that I'm right btw - I'm actually not claiming that. Just trying to get to the truth, and I think the following sources help. (This should at least give a clearer understanding of the word, which clearly means "gentle" at least, and is often used when speaking of the gentleness of a person or animal with either power, authority, or some form of admirable strength). Within the context of the following for example, praus seems to mean something like "gentleness" to a subordinate or lower creature - in the scriptures, it's often used in the context of a more powerful person or person of authority correcting someone "lower" in a sense, or disciplining them, and in ancient Greece it was clearly often used to express gentleness with a "lower" creature, or to describe a powerful animal's gentle or mild nature; self control or gentleness despite great power implied. The "gentle" creature spoken of often has great strength, power and/or nobility, like a warhorse, or a god (see below): Above all, this word does NOT mean weak. Or timid. "Gentle, despite having strength or power" - something like that is closer to correct if not completely correct. I believe this is oftentimes and perhaps always a perfectly reasonable translation. Xenophon, for example, uses the word this way, in numerous formats: he talks about "gentle" animals, "gently" training horses, "gently taming" an aggressive dog, and the "gentleness" of soldiers toward their warhorses - in no way does Christ's use of the word or other Greek uses of the word imply "weak" or "timid": “Had you a sheep dog that was friendly to the shepherds, but growled when you [the master/ owner] came near him, it would never occur to you to get angry, but you would try ‘to tame’ (πραΰνειν/ praunein) him by kindness.” Anabasis “After this Cyrus marched four stages, twenty parasangs, to the Chalus river, which is a plethrum in width and full of large, tame (πραέων/ praeōn) fish; these fish the Syrians regarded as gods, and they would not allow anyone to harm them, or the doves, either.” On Horsemanship “If you want to correct a spirited horse when he is going too fast, do not pull him suddenly, but quietly check him with the bit, ‘soothing’ (πραΰνοντα/ praunonta) him, not forcing him, to a quiet pace.” “Accordingly, at the moment of mounting, the rider should take care to worry [the horse] as little as possible; and when he is mounted, he should let him stand still longer than is otherwise usual, and then direct him to go by the ‘most gentle’ (πρᾳοτάτοις/ praotatois) aids. Then let him begin at a very slow pace and increase the speed with the same gentle help, so that the horse will not be aware of the transition to a quicker motion.” “It should also be known that a horse can be taught ‘to be calm’ (πραΰνεσθαι/ praunesthai) by a chirp with the lips and to be roused by a cluck with the tongue. And if from the first you use with the cluck aids to calm him (τὰ πραέα), and with the chirp aids to rouse him, the horse will learn to rouse himself at the chirp and ‘to calm down’ (πραΰνεσθαι/ praunesthai) at the cluck.” Economics “As you know, we call those creatures noble that are beautiful, great, and helpful, and yet gentle (πραέα/ praea) towards men.” Cyropaedia “Cyrus also took care that [soldiers] should never come to luncheon or to dinner unless they had had a sweat. For he would get them into a sweat by taking them out hunting; or he would contrive such sports as would make them sweat; or again, if he happened to have some business or other to attend to, he so conducted it that they should not come back without having had a sweat. For this he considered conducive to their enjoying their meals, to their health, and to their being able to endure hardships, and he thought that hardships conduced to their being ‘more reasonable’ (πρᾳοτέρους/ praoterous) toward one another, for even horses that work together stand ‘more quietly’ (πρᾳοτέρους/ praoterous) together. At any rate, those who are conscious that they have been well drilled are certainly more courageous in the face of the enemy.” www.preceptaustin.org/matthew_1129_commentary - "As noted above the Greeks characterized meekness as power under control and in the case of the Spirit filled believer this means that he or she is under the control of God's Spirit. From a practical standpoint, the individual who is "praus" exhibits a freedom from malice, bitterness, or any desire for revenge. The only way to truly define meekness is in the context of relationships because it refers to how we treat others. A gentle spirit should characterize our relationship with both man and God." "Prautes was used in secular Greek writings to describe a soothing wind, a healing medicine, and a colt that had been broken. In each instance, there is power for a wind can become a storm, too much medicine can kill and a horse can break loose. Thus prautes describes power under control." Note that this word was not used by the Greeks to describe "broken, that is, tamed" humans, only animals - that is clearly stated in multiple non-religious definitions. "Prautes is an interesting word. Aristotle defined it as the correct mean between being too angry and being never angry at all. It is the quality of the man whose anger is so controlled that he is always angry at the right time and never at the wrong time. It describes the man who is never angry at any personal wrong he may receive, but who is capable of righteous anger when he sees others wronged." The meek person does not have to fly off the handle because he has everything under control. "Barclay comments on James 1:21 writing that this man will receive the word with gentleness. (humility = prautes). Gentleness is an attempt to translate the untranslatable word prautes. This is a great Greek word which has no precise English equivalent. Aristotle defined it as the mean between excessive anger and excessive angerlessness; it is the quality of the man whose feelings and emotions are under perfect control." Andronicus Rhodius, commenting on Aristotle, writes, “Prautes is moderation in regard to anger … You might define prautes as serenity and the power, not to be lead away by emotion, but to control emotion as right reason dictates.” "The Platonic definitions say that prautes is the regulation of the movement of the soul caused by anger. It is the temperament (krasis) of a soul in which everything is mixed in the right proportions." Barclay adds that prautes: "describes the man whose temper is always under complete control. He knows when to be angry and when not to be angry. He patiently bears wrongs done to himself but is ever chivalrously ready to spring to the help of others who are wronged." biblehub.com/greek/4239.htm www.preceptaustin.org/titus_32#gentleness%20praute… www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/text?doc=Perseus:abo:… www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/text?doc=Perseus:abo:… www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/text?doc=Perseus%3Ate… www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/text?doc=Perseus%3Ate… www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/text?doc=Perseus%3Ate… www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/text?doc=Perseus%3Ate… www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/text?doc=Perseus%3Ate… www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/text?doc=Perseus%3Ate…

Going into the dark night of the soul is easy. Coming out is not as easy. Integrating it is even more of a challenge. I finally get it🙏

Shadow is also ineptness, pettiness, incompetence, looking like a fool, cowardice, shyness and many other things that we all have but that we don't want to show others.

Here's what I understood from this : Shadow is basically those negative 'thoughts' or 'emotions' we tend to surpress, due to to external factors, such as society, laws, upbringing, or circumstances. An example from my own life would be when I was slapped on my face by my school teacher. I had not done homework(along with several others) who she made stand for her period as a punishment. She came to me and said "you're smiling in punishment, thats so disrespectful". I said no, I'm not smiling (because I wasn't, I just had a happy face perhaps. I wasn't stressed out about the punishment because literally half of the class hadn't done homework.) After slapping once, she said 'you're still smiling' and proceeded to slap me once again. Now I'm from India and a teacher slapping student is normal here. Though I was in one of the best schools and violence like this wasn't allowed. Though it is still used for students involved in bullying and fights. I don't remember what I thought that time, but now when I think about it, part of me feels like I should have slapped her back. To give a benefitting reply. To let her know that she just can't get away with this. But ofcourse, I did not do that. I came home and told my parents. They reported her to the higher authorities in school. She got off with a warning. I never saw her use violence again (atleast in my class). I was a kid back then (in 6th grade). So you can imagine the reasons why I made the instantaneous decision to not hit back. But then I understand why we are conditioned to such societal norms. Not everyone is wise enough to now misuse their shadow. Society will go nuts if everyone becomes their shadow. And 'integrating' shadow is not everyone's cup of tea. These norms, morals and upbringing do a good job in reducing violence and mayhem. But one of their potential side effect is that they produce a weak citizen. Still, I can imagine a situation where standing up against someone can have consequences. For example, if you have a toxic boss, standing up (as your shadow says) can set a good example, boost one's confidence but might cost one his/her employment. In conclusion, the idea is to constantly become stronger. Having the capability to adapt. Getting empowered through a comprehensive education. And beating the shit out of anyone who tries to mess up with you.

This is one of the clearer videos on integration of the shadow

Thank you for this compilation. I’m struck that there was no mention of another key effect of the integrated shadow, namely a deeper capacity for compassion. When we are aware of and connected to our own ‘monster’, we can have compassion towards and make good discernment about the monsters of others.

I think there is a misconception around the “darkness” associated with the shadow which is understandable seeing as a physical shadow is physically dark. The way I see it, the shadow is the gold ideals that lie in whatever the complete opposite of your conscious perceived values are. An aggressive violent acting person will have the shadow of an agreeable well tempered personality. And the agreeable pushover will have the shadow of a vengeful aggressive person. I guess the shadow is much like yin and Yang in regards to the conscious and unconscious side of one’s personality.

My eyes were just opened to this concept yesterday, and I'm so excited to explore this more. I finally saw that my whole life I have been scared of my dark side. I have completely ignored it and pretended it didn't exist. My mind is blown right now. I can only imagine all the doors that will open within and help my personal evolution as I explore this. Thank you so much for this video. It is everything I need to hear right now as I begin my exploration, acceptance, and integration of my shadow side.

In 13:57 "we must journey into the Abyss of our unconscious, face the monster in the shadow, and integrate it. There's gold in the shadow, because a lot of that aggression, boldness, anger and hate that we repress, can be used in a healthy way.” This reminded my of a show I use to watch in my Childhood, Naruto Shippuden where Naruto had to face a demon in him that was imprisoned or sealed and once he beat the demon within him he gained a portion of it’s power. But a prerequisite to defeating that demon he had to confront the hate and resentment that was within him first and let go of it- after that he was ready to fight that demon. After fighting and defeating that demon and gaining a portion of its power, it was still within him but its full power wasn’t given to Naruto. Only after the demon himself acknowledged that Naruto was worthy in character, did the demon willingly accept friendship and partnership with Naruto and that’s when the tremendous power of the two were integrated and it was even more tremendous than before and that’s when Naruto became a sage (Kurama Sage Mode it was called, Kurama was the demon’s name)

This guy is so wise. The fact that he angers some is just proof that the truth always hurts. Know thyself- niether easy nor pleasant bur in the end liberating.

This is awesome. This really presents issues clearly and in a way that can be understood Jung is,very difficult for most people: Peterson doesn't make him simple-- for which I am grateful.

I think Jung was describing that once you see yourself as the perpetrator in moral conflicts, social delimias and identity within yourself how you should resolve, you also solve the moral conflicts and social delimias.

Thank you for this video! It was exactly what I was looking for, it felt like I had ordered it specifically. Your explanation was clear and concise!

Excellent lecture!

Nice compilation of information and commentary. Thanks for sharing.

Well done. Really appreciate the effort put it in. I found this very helpful.

This is the BEST of Jordan's Best discussions.

This video was really well done. I appreciate the work!

Very interesting video. I don't have a problem with expressing my anger, anymore. But, at the same time, I also don't think some people's subjects are worth my time and energy. Therefore, I choose my battles wisely. Wish I'd have known that it was normal to express anger, as a kid. Thanks for the much needed reminder.

thank you for this compilation and commentary. i feel like i found a gift on my phone this morning. most enjoyably informative and provocative.