The Mystery of Deltarune's Old Song from the Sea

Vivet has the comfiest voice in the whole deltarune community

I sincerely think something will happen along the lines of "Gaster finally does something but you're not quite sure it's him at first", and then the "song from the sea" turns out to be his theme. I can imagine it being like a perfect "oh fuck, it's happening" moment.

As of now, I think this "old song" is Penumbra Phantasm. It's not a "new song". An unfinished midi of it has a very distinct whale sample used in it, so it has something to do with water. Toby has hinted at it being related to Deltarune by saying "ＡＴ ＂ＳＨＡＤＯＷ＇Ｓ ＥＤＧＥ，＂ ＳＨＡＴＴＥＲ ＴＨＥ ＴＷＩＬＩＧＨＴ ＲＥＶＥＲＩＥ" when asked about it, which directly ties to his first tweet "The edge of the shadow, where reality and dream meet." (come on that's obviously about Deltarune.) Darkness also has A LOT of water symbolism and Penumbra Phantasm has both water and shadow symbolism. Penumbra Phantasm literally means "An Illusion at shadow's edge" It is also worth noting that The Holy's melody sounds like a modified version of a part of Penumbra Phantasm. Now, the issue with this is that this was meant to be a Homestuck song and a large part of it uses "Doctor", which is not Toby's motif. But do remember that Hopes And Dreams ALSO has Doctor hidden in it. Penumbra Phantasm also uses a modified version of Doctor as a base, which is technically original? It was used in a few homestuck tracks but it can probably be considered original. This wouldn't be the first time Toby made a song based on "Doctor" and used it in his game lol.

A bit morbid, but something that this video made me think about is how deep sleep or near death, as reported from those who have had near death experiences, feels like being submerged in an ocean with waves gently pushing against you. You can't perceive the void, the darkness, but you can perceive being close to it. Oceans, especially with your darkness is related to nostalgia conclusion, represents freedom but they also present a very real danger if one is not careful traversing it. In some ways, there's a danger to nostalgia and it can trap you, leaving you yearning for it forever more. This song seems to capture that nostalgia, but it is also siren's call if one either listens too close or is not careful, much like nostalgia itself. We shall see what this may all mean as the prophesied story follows its seemingly set path. Hopefully I didn't go too wild and dark there but I'm full of shawarma and this video's got me thinking. Very refreshing work, Vivat!

imagine if somebody played the old song from the sea and it was just a much more long and detailed version of gaster's theme

You forgot IMAGE_DEPTH and the Sound Test. Onion says, while they've heard the whole Song once before, that they've also heard just a piece of a song, too. This might tie into the Sound Test, which takes place at a river bank, and with most of its songs just being 1-2 seconds of what appear to be but pieces of longer songs.

Theory: The song Onion hears comes from Dess, who is trapped in The Depths. Before disappearing, she used to play or sing the tune near Onion's home. Maybe, with her guitar?

22:00 Yeah. I've talked about it a few times before to friends and people on forums how weirdly important Waterfall is in Undertale. I've been saying it for no exaggeration, YEARS. I'm really glad that someone with a lot of views is pointing it out too. Not to mention that all the tablets explaining Undertale's history are in Waterfall, which basically tells you outright "Hey guys, THIS is the big lore importance area!". It has the echo flowers, the dance shoes, the hidden item Legendary Artifact that Toby steals from us, the music box, don't even get me STARTED ON THAT MUSIC BOX, the voice that tells us about the creepy face behind us, napsta-and-hapsta'blook's homes, Gerson's shop, the flashbacks of CHARA'S memories, and SO. FRIKKEN. MUCH. MORE! It is definitely the "Lore Hot Spot" area of the entire game in my opinion. It definitely holds mysteries we the fandom haven't figured out yet. I am sure of that. Not only that, but the entire area has song after song that feels nostalgic and calming. Like this is a familiar place... 😅 Sorry I'm rambling again... TL;DR I fully agree with you and then some about the huge importance of Waterfall

UT/DR do such a good job at evoking a sense of mystery and intrigue with the more obscure little questions like this. People (understandably) focus on a lot of the major plot/world mechanic mysteries currently in Deltarune, but for me its this type of small possibly never to be answered stuff that really gets me. Toby has done a really good job at stoking that kind of stuff in Undertale and he really has cranked it up to 11 with Deltarune. Once the game is fully out and (a decent chunk) of the major mysteries are more clear/solved, it'll probably be stuff like this that'll keep that feeling going. A kind of wistful lost memory (with some slight ominous undertones?). And what do you know, that seems a bit like how they describe the song of the sea! Or it's a homestuck reference. It's always a homestuck reference.

Only after seeing what characters are prominent in Deltarune, I have to wonder if "starts with G" was always setting up a fake-out where we think we'll find Gaster but the person of importance was really Gerson

I'm glad this channel exists, makes me feel less crazy when I make certain connections and interpretations regarding undertale and deltarune that seem logical to me but I never see them talked about anywhere else

I don't necessarily agree that IRSE is going to show up in Deltarune, but I think it's interesting to note that the track "sans.", which shares IRSE's leitmotif, is the only Undertale track that has so far appeared unaltered in not only Deltarune proper but on the soundtrack, as well. That would make it possible IRSE to show up without being divorced from its original musical context.

The fact that I’ve never heard anything about the old song by the sea makes this all the more intriguing. Now I wonder if we’ll get anymore mentions to it in future chapters. I also feel nostalgic towards It’s Raining Somewhere Else, mainly because of its tune, and the fact that I heard it in videos LONG before I ever heard about Undertale. Great video, I hope you have a good day/night. 💜

The first 10 second were like: WAS THAT A TALLY HALL REFERENCE!!?!?!?!?? ‼️‼️🔥🗣️👔🟥🟨🟩🟦⬜🔲🔳🏝🌈

It does seem pretty plausible to me that the river person's angel line is just about Asriel/Chara, so I'm not sure we can infer much from it. Undertale's plot does involve the coming of a being who once saw the surface and ends up emptying the Underground. It's also not clear to me in Deltarune whether the angel is coming or if it's already here. (Edit: Though I guess, even if the angel has been around since the start of Deltarune, Deltarune wasn't released yet when Undertale was released...) But things certainly can end up having double meanings, so it does seem worth noting at least.

Girl I love how the vid got suddenly derailed by "it's raining somewhere else", this is my first time watching your channel and I can already see that you love it lol

You have no idea how happy I was to see the title of this video. The topic of the old song coming from the sea is something I always found very very interesting. One thing I wanted to note is I found something while re-reading the dialogue for onion in deltarune that might support your theory that it's raining somewhere else is the old song. One of onions lines is "It's not a "new" song" when talking about the song coming from the sea. Perhaps the fact that onion states it's not a new song could serve as a hint to the song being something people have already heard before? Maybe this song is something people who have played undertale will be already familiar with, thus not making it a "new" song. After all what is one song from undertale that is just straight up reused in deltarune without any changes to it? sans.

Great Video! Its nice to sea someone talk about this subject. It would be cool to hear your opinion about the shadow crystals as I feel that is also under discussed.

YOO, spampton sweepstakes.... that blue chair with water dripping sfx. and turning into a void when you hover over it.. another water <-> darkness connection

(unrelated) i can hardly explain but the riverperson really has the same vibe of the snail shamans from hollow knight