I Talked with Rich Sutton

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Published 2024-01-08
After a year of anticipation, I finally got to talk with Rich Sutton for the channel! Rich wrote the book on reinforcement learning, has contributed vastly to the literature, and has a unique perspective on AI. We talk about topics like reinforcement learning, the OpenMind Research Institute (OMRI), Keen Technologies, how to do good research, the problem of scale, superintelligence, and so much more.

Outline
0:00 - Intro
1:33 - Interview start
2:04 - OpenMind Research Institute
4:32 - History of AI
7:13 - Is scaling easy?
10:49 - The problem with backprop & representations
21:22 - Rant on tunnel vision
23:43 - New exciting things
32:00 - Memory
35:34 - Coming up with ideas
43:47 - STOMP
45:30 - Keen Technologies
50:39 - The next stage of humanity & emotions
1:06:25 - Extraterrestrial AI
1:08:00 - A different approach to research
1:21:30 - Rich's advice
1:26:00 - Beef with RL
1:27:07 - Bringing it all together


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Rich's website: www.incompleteideas.net/

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All Comments (21)
  • This was hard to watch, especially in the beginning. Let him talk, it’s why we tuned in. I think you tripped over your ego a bit. Hopefully this is some reinforcement learning for you. ;-)
  • @user-nv3fy6bd4p
    Congrats on interviewing an absolute legend! This is so good!
  • @hmind9836
    WOW, this was unexpected!!! Thank you for the content Edan, you're awesome. I love the youtube algorithm for having suggested your channel, I feel like I found a gem ^^. Thank you for taking your time to post content here.
  • @user-pg7vm2bv8c
    I enjoy listening to Sutton speak. And I'm sorry It's a kind of torture watching you argue over trivial details with him
  • @Gizandjesss
    I really love this, it's great to hear Sutton and his deep thinking - a real gem, I learned so much from his work. On the skill of interviewing - sit back and let the man carry himself! There are a few moments where it feels like he's getting started but doesn't get to finish. You're great too, but we can hear your ideas any time on your other videos. Take this on board and please please do more interviews with more ML icons in the future!
  • @apratimdey6118
    Hi Edan, what you posted here is nothing short of a gem! I am a huge fan of Rich Sutton and his ways of thinking/working. Thank you so much! Looking forward to more such interviews of prominent personalities.
  • @MrZarfir
    I actually break danced with Rich Sutton. Such a dance and RL legend!
  • @CodexPermutatio
    Awesome! If this is your first interview, you are surely on the right track.
  • Thanks for producing this interview and letting us see the personal side of Rich Sutton. I've been going through his RL book so was pleased to watch this. It was a total surprise to learn about the projects going on in Alberta.
  • @rtnjo6936
    Bro, let him talk, let him finish his full thought, don't interpt with your own thoughts or other questions, when the guest has a deeper meaning in what he thinks about the subject or the question
  • @juanpablo_san
    I'm officially a fan of Rich! hahaha a lot of good insights, thanks for sharing!
  • @omarnomad
    This is one of the best interviews I've seen in many, many years, and I regularly try to keep pace with AI. :] Thanks for sharing it, it's so refreshing to listen to Sutton's views on Science, and his fresh ideas on RL!
  • @SteveRowe
    "I'm biased in the sense that I know about it." <3 Rich Sutton.
  • @andybaldman
    Terrible conversation. Too much hero worship on one end, and too much self-importance on the other. And not much in the line of useful ideas, just a lot of words.
  • @SeanaldMcDonald
    Thank you so much Edan! The quality of these conversations is incredible. Keep up the great work! 29:10 I'm so glad he said that. Not an expert or anything, but it's bothered me for a long time how many researchers train on offline data in RL to get state of the art performance on a benchmark. We're kicking an important can down the road, and undermining the very benchmarks we use to measure progress.
  • @divgill6062
    This is really great. I really appreciated that you pushed when you were not satisfied with Rich's answers. The conversation got deeper whihc I found very interesting